Minorities and Human Rights : GREECE

Baracuda....

Being in NATO , as a strategist , i would expected that u be more serious...I have started having strong doubts... ( maybe ur strategic duties are confined to bring coffee ??? I would hate to assume so...)

So go and read AGAIN the Lausanne Treaty and you MAY learn , that in Thrace ( the Greek territory of course ) there are NOT racial minorities only RELIGIOUS minorities...As a result of this , ANYONE forming an assosiation expressing and serving RACIAL and National interests of a foreign country , according to Greek LAW ...is illegal....Got it ???

Now ... As for the joke of Makendonskies...u know to read English , so read...a post by Phallnx...

### Let's see what scholars and accurate sources say, not what I or you would like to belive: This will be a long one.

European ethnographs and linguists until the Congress of Berlin usually regarded the language of the Slavic population of Macedonia as Bulgarian. French scholars A. Boue in 1840 and G. Lejean in 1861, Germans A. Griesebach in 1841, J. Hahn in 1858 and 1863, A. Petermann in 1869 and H. Kiepert in 1876, Slovak Safarik in 1842 and the Czechs J. Erben in 1868 and F. Brodaska in 1869, Englishmen Wyld in 1877 and G. M. Mackenzie and A.P. Irby in 1863, Serbians Davidovitch in 1848, Desjardins in 1853 and S. Verkovic in 1860, Russians V. Grigorovich in 1848, V. Makushev and M.F. Mirkovitch in 1867, as well as Austrian K. Sax in 1878 published ethnography or linguistic books, or travel notes, which defined the Slavic population of Macedonia as Bulgarian.

Austrian doctor J. Muller published travel notes in 1844 where he regarded the Slavic population of Macedonia as Serbian.

The region was further identified as predominantly Greek by French F. Bianconi in 1877 and by Englishman E. Stanford in 1877. Stanford maintained that the urban population of Macedonia was entirely Greek, whereas the peasantry was of mixed, Bulgarian-Greek origin and had Greek consciousness but had not yet mastered the Greek language.

The propaganda

Spiridon Gopcevic (also known as Leo Brenner) published in 1889 the ethnographic research Macedonia and Old Serbia, which defined more than three-quarters of the Macedonian population as Serbian. The population of Kosovo and northern Albania was identified as Serbian or Albanian of Serbian origin and the Greeks along the Aliakmon as Greeks of Serbian origin.

The work of Gopcevic was further developed by two Serbian scholars, geographer Jovan Cvijic and linguist Aleksandar Belic . Less extreme than Gopcevic, Cvijic and Belic claimed only the Slavs of northern Macedonia were Serbian whereas those of southern Macedonia were identified as "Macedonian Slavs", an amorphous Slavic mass that was neither Bulgarian, nor Serbian but could turn out either Bulgarian or Serbian if the respective people were to rule the region. The only Slavs in Macedonia which were referred to as Bulgarian were those living along the Strymon and Nestos rivers, i.e. present-day Pirin Macedonia and parts of northeastern Greece. Cviic further argued that the name Bugari (Bulgarians) used by the Slavic population of Macedonia to refer to themselves actually meant only �rayah� � peasant Christians � and in no case affiliations to the Bulgarian ethnicity.

The Serbian propaganda effort in Macedonia was led chiefly on the educational front. The number of Serbian schools in Macedonia and Kosovo rose from only a handful of before 1878 to 178 with 321 teachers and 7,200 pupils at the turn of the 20th century. The Society of Saint Sava in Belgrade gave study scholarships to talented Macedonians, usually turning them into staunch supporters of the Serbian cause after the end of their education. Serbia was also successful in launching armed guerilla groups, mainly in northern Macedonia, which clashed with pro-Bulgarian IMRO. Despite the enormous financial support from Serbia the Serbian cause in Macedonia never made a significant success outside the northern districts of Tetovo, Skopje and Kumanovo where the local dialect had certain similarities with Serbian.

Statistical data

The 1911 edition of the Encylopaedia Britannica gave the following statistical estimates about the population of Macedonia:

    * Bulgarians (described in encyclopaedia as "Slavs, the bulk of which is regarded by almost all independent sources as Bulgarians", a statement referring to the controversy between Bulgaria and Serbia as to the national affinities of the Slavs of Macedonia): ca. 1,150,000, whereof, 1,000,000 Orthodox and 150,000 Muslims (the so-called Pomaks)
    * Turks: ca. 500,000 (Muslims)
    * Greeks: ca. 250,000, whereof ca. 240,000 Orthodox and 14,000 Muslims
    * Albanians: ca. 120,000, whereof 10,000 Orthodox and 110,000 Muslims
    * Vlachs: ca. 90,000 Orthodox and 3,000 Muslims
    * Jews: ca. 75,000
    * Roma: ca. 50,000, whereof 35,000 Orthodox and 15,000 Muslims

In total 1,300,000 Christians (almost exclusively Orthodox), 800,000 Muslims, 75,000 Jews, a total population of ca. 2,200,000 for the whole of Macedonia.

It needs to be taken into account that a substantial part of the Bulgarian population in southern Macedonia regarded itself as Greek and a smaller percentage, mostly in northern Macedonia, as Serbian. All Muslims (except the Albanians) tended to view themselves and were viewed as Turks, irrespective of their mother tongue. Most Vlachs and orthodox Albanians regarded themselves as Greeks. ###

So , Baracuda...... IF u think that this organisation "Rainbow"... knows MORE , than all these proffesors ..... then u have a serious problem...

Isk..

Buddy , u can say what u like best...cheap ...not cheap ... expensive...whatever....

But ...whatever label u will put they will stay what they are...FACTS..

So keep banging ur head in the wall..... U got all the explanations u wanted...Its up to u , to stop doing it.

Isk..

P.S....there are more proof , u know...From ur Turkish authorities...who ruled the area... Like some censuses...made by Turks..

Isk..

Maybe they are studying?

Phallanx I know enough about how and what you write. That is enough for me to respond to you about the information you present.

The Agia Sophia has been Turkish for centuries. It is not your right to tell the Turks what to do with their property. It was once a church, a mosque and then a museum. Oa'!

FOPOG helsinki monitor's web for Macedonians in FOPOG

http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/bhr/english/special_issues/maced onians_in_greece.html

Minorities in FOPOG

http://www.eurominority.org/version/eng/minority-state2.asp? id_pays=19