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Babylonian conquest of Media in 585 BC
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    Posted: 10-Jan-2019 at 09:30
I think there are enough evidences which show after the death of Cyaxares, Nebuchadnezzar II attacked and conquered Media, Persian mytho-historical sources talk about this event, there is also a Jewish source which confirms it, the Babylonian king who is called Aždahaka (Zahhak) in the Persian mytho-historical sources, is identified as Astyages in Armenian sources too.
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Interesting. Would be good to see the 3 sources.

The Jewish one would be Judith 1 in the Apocrypha which has Nebuchadnezzar beating Arphaxad king of Media (and Arioch king of Elam). (Jewish sources also have Ahikar said to be a combination of Nebuchadnezzar and Ahasuerus.)

Median king lists in different sources:

Pishdadids:
Gaya Maretan / Gayomart/Kaiumers
Saiamek
Gayomart again
Hushang
Tahmurash
Jemshid (Yima)
Azhi Dahaka / Zohak (Astyages) (Kabous, Merdas, Bevarash)
/ (Mira, Ramahtona Gofrtona Spettona, Syaktona, Bortona, Syaktona, Abtin/Pourutona)
Alphidun/Feridun/Thraetona
(Iraj/Aria)
(Jishak, Farjishak, Eebitak, Eethritaak, Aeriaak, Veejak, Varjidedin, Nairyosang,
ManoshAorvak, ManoshAorvar)
Manoshchehir/Manuchir/Phirouz
Nodar
Apherasiab
Zaab/Bazab
Gustasp/Kischtasp

Kaianides:
Kaikobad
Kaikaus (Cai Caous?)
Kaikhosru
Lohorasp
Gustasp/Hystaspes
Ardshir Bahaman
Homai
Darab
Darab

Medes (Classical):
Medus

Medes: House of Arbaces: (numbers Jerome's list)
1 Arbaces                            28              816-788
3 Madyus/Mandauces                  20              788-768
2 Sosarmus                           30              768-738
4 Artycas  (Cardiceas?)              30              738-708
Arbianes                           22              708-686
Artaeus/Artaeios       40              686-646
4 Artseus/Artynes    (Cardiceas?)            22              646-624
Astibaras                          40              624-584
Aspadas / Ahasuerus / Astyigas/Asytages    35/38      584-549/546
Cyaxares / Darius the Mede

Medes: House of Deioces: (numbers Jerome's list)
5 Deioces/Daiukku           53             699-646
6 Phraortes                          22             646-624
(Scythians)
7 Cyaxeres I                         40             624-584
8 Astyages     35             584-549
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1 Cyrus

Media/Ecbatana (Biblical):
Arphaxad
Ahikar ("Nebuchadnezzar + Ahasuerus"?)
Darius the Mede.

Elam (bible):
Arioch/Arukku

(Not sure is Daiukku might match Arukku with d/r interchange?)



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 13-Jan-2019 at 00:12
NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.
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Movses Khorenatsi, a 5th-century Armenian historian, says that the actual name of Astyages is Azhdahak which means "dragon", in the Middle Persian sources such as Bundahishn and Denkard, Azhdahak also means dragon and he is the king of Babel (Babylon).

The name of Arpaksad in the Jewish sources is similar to Harpagus, the Median general who helped Cyrus the Great, some Iranologists believe that Fereydun in Shahnameh is actually Cyrus the Great and Kaveh is Harpagus, Azhdahak (Zahhak) was a cannibal, what he did against the son of Kaveh is similar to what Astyages did against the son of Harpagus.
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Feridun/Fereydun/Thraetona is probably long before Cyrus' time, he has possible matches in other Indo-European mythology (Triton? Frey? etc.)
I have sometimes thought that Azhi-Dahaka might be Melchizedek, or Lugalzaggesi, or some others. Some sources say he was (Arabian) king of Jerusalem, others of Babylon. They say Azhi matches Ahi in Indian (which they say matches Ophis or Echidna in Greek)?
But i haven't solved them for sure yet.
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About Fereydun, I believe it doesn't relate to Thraeton, I see no reason that "th" is changed to anything other than "h" in Middle Persian, Fereydun seems to be related to Faridan/Fereydun-shahr, a region in the west of Isfahan, the same land which was known as Partakka in Assyrian, Paraitakene in Greek and Paraetacene in Latin sources, some Iranologists say that Uppis, king of Partakka, in the Assyrian sources, is Kay-Pisin of Kayanian dynasty. In fact Fereydun is the name of the first Persian kingdom.
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