Abortion: is it murder?

Mr. Chavez,

I'm getting tired of repeating myself ad nauseam. You obviously consider adoption some evil means for the rich to exploit the poor. You just can't get over that leftish agenda. I'm sorry but I feel you're just getting out of touch with reality.

Adoption is a means for babies who can't have a family to support them to have a (decent) life. Obviously you think that theses babies shouldn't be born at all. It is a matter of different values, I see.

Other misconception you've been insisting on is that I somewhat promote women to have babies against their will. That is not the point. I defend family planning, as I said before, I defend the use of contraceptive methods. But if there is the case where an unwanted pregancy occurs and the family can't support the child, I believe that this child should have the right to live, and thus being sent to an adoption center, whereas you believe this child should be deprived of life.

You claim my solution is �unnatural�. I regard killing infants more unnatural. Giving up a baby certainly is very hard, but not giving him/her a chance to live in the first place seems clearly unfair to me.

As for social solidarity and state support, I think there is much room to improve and I want it to improve so that those families who can't afford to have their own kids, can do so. I stated this many times before in my posts but you kept ignoring them. So your accusations that I don't care for the babies are continously contradictory to what I've been saying all along.

I hope this is sufficiently clear for you, once and for all.

Regards

I think Arch said it all.

Well look, most of us are males here and young males at that. I am one too. Now granted, this may not apply to every member of the forum in this discussion, but correct me if I'm wrong. From various points, I think that morticia is obviously a woman, hugoestr has kids already, and Maju I think is somewhat older than in his 20's (don't know how old). Anyway, I think that this puts them in a better position to understand the bond between a woman and a baby, as well as the difficulties a woman has during pregnancy. It may seem easy for a male who is in his teens or twenties to say that it is easy for a woman to go through 9 months of pregnancy, and then simply give up her baby.

I think (and Maju, morticia and hugoestr will proabably agree with me) that a woman goes through a very difficult time during pregnancy and delivery, and for biological reasons establishes a very strong bond with her baby, once it's born. Giving it up for adoption is a very difficult and traumatic choice. I'm fairly certain that the great majority of unwanted babies who get born are kept by their mothers because it is just too difficult to give them up.

Now, I think that it is also safe to say that the great majority of mothers who would consider abortion as an option are usually poor, and often very young, and also often enough single.Otherwsie they simply wouldn't consider it. A single poor teenage mom is the typical portrait of a woman who may consider an abortion. If this woman had her baby, she would more than likely want to keep it (for the reason explained above), but she would have to give up a higher education in the process and give up pretty much any chance of escaping her poverty. She would more than likely end up on welfare or working a minimum wage type job, all the while having to support her and her baby. By having her baby she is typically condemning herself and her baby to a life of poverty and very few opportunities, a life of misery.

A woman who is considering an abortion is in fact saying "I don't want to bring up a child now into a world of misery, but I want to bring up a child later into a world in which I can offer him/her a good life full of opportunities". When you add to this the fact that a lot of people do not consider life to begin at the moment of conception, the choice suddenly doesn't seem so evil anymore.

I'm not saying that it's wrong or right, I'm simply saying that it is not such an obvious choice as you make it seem.

Please explain how that is plain garbage?

A single young mother would more than likely have to drop out of school, work minimum wage jobs, move in a poor neighborhood. How exactly is she going to get rich, or even live above the poverty threshold? To have enough money to pay for the rent, the babysitter (she has to work, right?), for food for her and the baby, baby clothes, etc., she would have to work 2 jobs, sometimes 3. More than often than not, she didn't finish high-school, or at least doesn't have a college degree, so the jobs she can get don't pay much. So she has to spend most of her time working, meanwhile the baby grows up in poverty, in a rough neigborhood, and without spending a lot of time with his/her mother. And we're not even starting to talk about drugs and crime which may enter the picture and make things even worse. Can you deny that this doesn't happen over and over again? Is this not a life of poverty and misery?

No it is not murder, it is a personal choice that has to be made sometimes for the best.

I don't believe this poll is real... can people please, please! stop stop votin several times.

Thanx.