Abortion: is it murder?

Scientifically yes its a living human and thus legally killing it is murder.  But who cares? Murder is a significant part of the human existence, and sometimes it is better to kill than not to kill.  Studies have shown abrotion legalization directly coorelates with dropping US crime rates.

And most people who get abortions would not make good parents and might be abusive, and adoption is not a viable answer like its made out to be, becaue orphanages and whatnot are overflowing.

I personally think there are too many dman people in the world anyway, we will destroy ourselves if dont pursue a zero population growth policy.

The irony about the US is that we have among the worst sex ed in the world yet are often agaisnt abortion.  If you want less abortions give better education!

Of course I could live in a state where abortion was outlawed, but only as long as it was still legal for rape victims and incest and whatnot.  No one should have to be humilated by rape any more than the rape itself.

Its always good to side with the side that gives people personal choice, always, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

And peopel speak abotu it like its a new phenomonon, and that makes me laugh at their ignorance.  Infanticide is what happens if theres no abortion, and its been very comon throughout all of history, and is more comon in th emore sustainable societies that do it for population control (New Ginea highlands) and reached its peak in the 18th century.  Not new at all.

yes it could be but my girlfriend's-friend got prgegnant(18),and she got an abortion.Now in turkey if we had a very low birthrate her life would have been ruined.

you should never ban choices of people.If they choose not to be rabbits,it's their choice.

I think you should only make abortion up to seven weeks time.

I couldnt agree more...

Com'on, so a woman does something wrong and becomes regretful about it, and she agrees her baby to pay this gult's price for her. Dont you realize how selfish it is? Of course, not in cases of rape and irregular babies.

How do you identify a murder? Is it just killing a person with regular mental and physical abilities? So we just kill defected people according to this mentality. Murder is murder, no matter it is only an embrio or a new born baby.

on your logic we should not be eating meat

I never said that Hugo, in fact because of that very arguement I was very leery about saying that. What I did say was....

Therefore sperm cells, egg cells, hair cells, skin cells are not human, but when a sperm cell and an egg cell combines into a zygote then it is human, its been a while since microbiology, but I believe humanity would occur somewhere around (meiosis?).

Yes exactly.

Technically the food you eat will become part of your body, but it will not become a living cell, at least not directly, it will be reprocessed and repackaged until its most basic compounds are refitted into your human body.

However hot dogs do not become human the same way zygotes become human, if you put a hot dog into a womb it will not grow into a human nor a hog nor another hot dog. However if you put a zygote in a womb it will grow into a human.

Looks are not only what defines humans, are people with horrific deformities not human, it is our genetic framework that determines humanity, in the sense that a cell on its own, given the proper environment, can grow into a human being. 

So you prescribe to a belief in "You must be this tall to be human"?

We can most definetally interact with a lump of cells, if we could not than abortion could not be possible. Do you define it as being able to hold a human, well you most definetally can hold cells, even though you can't see or feel them, or does their small stature make them not human?

So people who are braindead are not human, people with severe autism are not human. Or do you mean just without a brain. Many different organisms at the single-cell level show learning and conditioned responses to stimuli. Is this not thinking, do you not believe that chemicals released by the zygote do not interact with the mother that it is dwelling inside. Now of course it cannot read poetry or ride a bike or express love just yet, but neither can a newborn, the zygote is just limited in its physical nature, in a short period of time it will develop its first specialized nerve cells. That's all our brains are, stem cells that have become specialized to store information and process stimuli.

Of course I would rescue the living human, but that does not make the embryo any less human. To illustrate this I'll give you a scenario:

If a building was on fire and there was a newborn baby and an 16 year old girl and you could only save one, which would you save? Is the other one any less human?

Also, Hugo I too respect and like you, even though we have a difference of opinion. I do not believe I can, nor do I wish to change your mind, only clarify my own beliefs on the issue. Which you as always are helping me do.