Abortion: is it murder?

 I think this topic has been covered to death now to be honest, I think the only potential future of this topic is repetition of previously made points resulting in petty arguments.

 The poll is 50-50 at the moment perfect time to end this debate here?

Honestly, I've been trying to explain my views on this subject for God-knows-how-may posts and you're still asking me what my motivations are?! That's why I stated that you must have a hard time understanding a written text! This is not an ad hominem attack, it is a conclusion I withdrew from your speech.

Now, once and for all:

I value the right of the child to live over the right of the parent to not have that child. That is why I am against abortion, in case you haven't noticed!

I don't hate poor people, don't be ridiculous. You are the only one here who seems to have some kind of agenda against the wealthy people, as you call them.

Finally, I am not imposing my values. I am exposing them. You, on the other hand, seem far more militant about yours.

Listen, if a woman gets pregnant and has no means to support her child, I believe she sould have the child anyway and give him to adoption. Though it must be terribly difficult to split a mother from her baby, it is the most fair and unselfish decision she can make. If she decides for abortion, the child won't have the chance to live in the first place.

So, hopefully drawing to a conclusion, I honestly hope that you've got it this time. Repeating the same arguments ad nauseam gets quite boring.

Mr. Chavez

I don't have time for your continuous nonsense. I've explained my views over and over again. Yet, I feel you have the need to continue this argument without any real point to it. You keep talking about how I hate the poor. That's just rubbish. If you fail to understand it, I'm sorry for you. Furthermore, I have sympathy towards human beings. I value the lives both of the mother and of the phoetus. I don't care if they are poor or rich. This has been something that only you have brought about in this topic for some seamingly left-wing agenda. You think adoption is anti-family and it is cruel. I think otherwise. I've said before that we as a society should have more effective social security systems, develop a fairer economy with more active charity and solidarity towards the needy. That means to give up my money for this as a tax-contributor! Adoption homes, at least where I live, have very good conditions provided by the state. Unfortunately, poverty always exists. But that doesn't mean that they (or whomever it may be - poor, rich, tall or short!) should start aborting their children because they can't afford them or simply don't want them. It may seem all logical and pragmatic at first glance, but it is tremendously unfair for the baby.

Finally, my values rightfully oppose those of who are in favour of abortion. It is normal. Because in my view, the baby's right to live stands over the right of the parent to abort. But I'm not imposing them. I'm not saying you have to believe in them. You obviously don't. I'm just explaining them, hopefully in a simple and clear manner. Furthermore, the issue of abortion must be voted in a referendum (at least here).

I hope this settles it. Please, if you continue to pretend not to have understood my views, or you're just showing plain dishonesty or you're just too blind about your arguments and ideas. 

I talked of the "parent" without gender to emphasize the fact that such issues as abortion should be discussed between the mother and the father. In my view, it's not just a mother's issue. I have nothing against women, as you are suggesting, on the contrary. I think that in so much as it takes two to make a baby, it also takes two to decide and take care of one.