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    Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 12:12

Here you will find small bits of info salvaged from the old site unfortunatly the authors were not recorded nor the original post names. hopefully you will find something to discuss here:

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I think the name was Wu San Gui, he was the Ming general who was reponsible for the defence of the "Shan Ha Guan", the easted and the strongest fortress of the great wall. He was a powerfull man, a high ranked general and had high reponsabilities for defending "Shan Ha Guan", he commanded many troops. When the Li Zi Chen1s rebels forces overthrow the Ming emperor, he bacame a rogue general, still he had the troops. After the rebels entered Bei Jin they confiscated all his goods and wealth, and took his wife. So he was very mad, he knew he couldn1t beat the rebels with only his troops, so the invited the Manchus. The manchus for so long wanted to conquer Ming, took the chance as Atilla did when he received the letter from the sister of the roman emperor.

Quote:I read somewhere in this board that he killed his daughter & wife, not to let them be humiliated by the enemy. It was considered as a noble act by then

It wasn1t a noble act, it was a desperat act. Unfortunely, humans didn1t and still don1t respect each other, they will take what ever advantages and do what ever atrocities they could just to please themselves. So it was a desperat and sad act. If the rebels could just act displinable maybe they didn1t need to die. The rebels just go crazy when they enter Bei Jin, they pillage, rape, and kill, the displine of the troops went down.

An interestin note, I1ve heard this, when Mao Ze Dong1s communist troops entered Bei Jin, Mao said to his camarads that they are been tested, because of what happened to Li Zi Chen1s rebel troops, Mao didn1t want the history to repeat itself and lose the support of the people.

Quote:I said killing a wife/daughter for them not to be harmed by the enemy was consireded as a noble act by then; of course not for now

I don1t know about this, but I don1t think so. What was considered noble was to fight until no man standing, including women and childrens, but killing their own, was not a noble act, was a desperat act even in those times.

The emperor hang himself in a tree in a mountain. I1ve heard that the mountain was an artificial mountain made of earth they dig out when they was builting the foundations of the Ming1s palace. I1ve heard also that the mountain and the tree are still there, maybe it1s a touristic attraction now.

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  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 13:28
Ming Chong Zheng realized his empire was going to crumble not because of the Manchu, but because of Li Zi Cheng, a rogue general who wanted to become emperor.

Some people said that this rebellion was caused by the Manchu who incited it, others say it was caused by a certain Chen Yuan Yuan, a Chinese helen of Troy. Li Zi Cheng managed to march on the capital, and Chong Zheng hanged himself on a tree. However Wu San Gui, unbeknowest to everyone had been in secret negotiations with the Qing, (some say he did it because of Chen Yuan Yuan), and managed to defeat Li Zi Cheng with the help of the manchu.

In the end, not due to superior military tactics did the manchu defeat the Ming Empire, but through clever use of "pitting one man against the other". Wu San Gui accepted the rule of the Qing and took the title of "Ping Xi Wang" (King of the Western Peace) along with 2 other generals who took lesser Wang titles (also king). Later on when Kang Xi ascended the throne, Wu San Gui staged a rebellion and was crushed. He had underestimated the child-emperor, who was to go on to be one of the most enlightened Chinese Emperors.

Wu San Gui and Li Zi Cheng are vilified as chinese traitors.
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