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    Posted: 28-Jul-2016 at 03:30
actually, did the two group encounter and make connection , during the 19 century

the main destination of the Chinese immigrants was the maerican west, and they worked in mines, railroad, or farms and ranches, so , they wpuld encounter the native American, but I could not find much information on this situation

I knew that in the mid 19 century, a group of Chinese went to western Canada, from hong Kong, and thier ship was wrecked, and they were enslaved by a group of Nativeb American, but only a short period of time, they were resuced by the royal rangers.

Actually, Chinese and native American were close realtives, we share the same ethnic root, in the frozen siberia, during ice age, from 20 century onward, more and more educated Chinese realized this, and what was the Native American 's opinion and View on Chinese/

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  Quote tommy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jul-2016 at 03:31
sorry, make a spelling mistake , the second line" American west" because I am so exciting when i am discussing this topic.
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  Quote hama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Apr-2017 at 11:49
Nei ho Tommy. Smile

I can't speak for all tribes, as America is a big place with a lot of different cultures each with their own histories (like Asia). However, I'm of Nez Perce heritage and there were plenty of Chinese immigrants around our homeland during the 19th-20th century. They came as miners, traders, merchants, and labourers, among other jobs. I think our interaction with them was definitely less than with the whites, but here are a couple examples I know:

During the Nez Perce War in 1877, the people of Chief Joseph's band and a few others were fleeing on a long trek toward Canada to try and escape the US Government, who was attempting to force them on to a reservation.

There was one incident during this war known as Fort Fizzle, which you can read about here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Fizzle_(Montana)#The_Army_and_the_Nez_Perce)
In this incident, Looking Glass (a famous Nez Perce leader) was trying to negotiate with US soldiers for safe passage for his people. The US authorities wanted the Nez Perce to surrender all their guns. Looking Glass is quoted as having said "When a Chinaman travels, he carries no arms. Do you think I am a Chinaman?" This comment was meant to show the white authorities that he and the other Nez Perce were not willing to give up their guns and travel around unarmed. They were traveling through wilderness in to buffalo hunting country and it would have been very dangerous for them to go without any guns for protection.

Also during the Nez Perce War, there was one incident in August, 1877 at Birch Creek in Idaho. A group of Nez Perce warriors met a group of teamsters hauling whiskey and other supplies. The teamsters were white along with a couple Chinese workers. This meeting was shortly after the Battle of Big Hole, where many Nez Perce (including women and children) had been killed by US Army troops. Because of this, some of the Nez Perce warriors were hot-tempered and wanted to take revenge on any whites they could find. They got a hold of some whiskey from the teamsters, and after getting drunk they got very violent and attacked and killed five of the white teamsters, however they let the two Chinese workers go free, and one other white teamster escaped.
That incident led to a fight within the Nez Perce bands, between the warriors who had killed the whites and some other Nez Perce who were trying to prevent needless violence. One famous fighter from the Battle of Big Hole (named Ketalkpoosmin) was killed during this argument. The Nez Perce leaders destroyed the rest of the whiskey to prevent any more violence.

Also, there was an incident near the Snake River (in Nez Perce homeland) called the Chinese Massacre at Deep Creek, which happened in 1887. A group of Chinese miners were slaughtered by a group of local white men. There is now a monument there about the incident, and is written in English, Chinese, and Nez Perce. No Nez Perce people were involved in this incident, but I thought I'd mention it since it occurred in our territory and the monument is partly in our language. You can read about the massacre here: https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/chinese_massacre_at_deep_creek/#.WOZYrI7avBI

That's all I know offhand about the Chinese in Nez Perce territory. If I find any other information I'll let you know. :)


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Those are chapters of our history that's been ignored.

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  Quote hama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Apr-2017 at 12:53
Thanks for the welcome.
By the way just thought I'd add that the word for Chinese people in Nez Perce language is "célmen." You can see it on the photo of the monument at the Deep Creek massacre site. I believe it comes from the English term "chinamen", if you say it in Nez Perce the word sounds a bit similar. However it's not a derogatory term in Nez Perce, it was just probably picked up from American English because, before the 19th century, Nez Perce didn't really know about China, and they heard the word being used for Chinese in America.


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  Quote hama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Apr-2017 at 11:04
For anyone interested, I came across two sources which seem to be very relevant to this subject. Haven't had the chance to read them fully yet, but look good from the previews:

“They Looked Askance”: American Indians and Chinese in the Nineteenth Century U.S. West by Jordan Hua (it looks like his thesis).

And

Horizontal Inter-Ethnic Relations: Chinese and American Indians in the Nineteenth-Century American West by Daniel Liestman.
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