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When you come across a black muslim blissfully touting the wonders of Islam, its a hard decision whether to go ahead and bray like a donkey or to try and suppress one's derision and risk suffering a hernia trying not to laugh.

Leaving aside Islam's basic corrupt nature, a black man praising this religion makes about as much sense as a Jew arriving at the gates of Auschwitz singing Deutschland Uber Alles while clutching a picture of Adolf Hitler to his bosom with one hand while giving the Nazi salute with the other.

White European civilization has been criticized (not unfairly) for the slave trade.  However without Islam the mass transportation of African slaves to the Americas would have been almost impossible.  For centuries Islam had promoted and in fact organized the slave trade to and from Africa.  In fact until the 15-1600's more whites had been brought to Africa than blacks elsewhere.

As a merely logistical matter white slavers sailed to Africa and waited for Muslim traders to bring slaves for them to export.  If you doubt this consider that a typical slave trader's ship would seldom be crewed by more than a couple of dozen sailors.  These men usually went barefoot aboard ship.  They would have been totally incapable of penetrating more than a few miles beyond the coast.  They would have been totally unable to endure the climate or local diseases.

Despite being an extremely lucrative business endeavor all of the colonial (translate that White Christian) powers had banned the practice by the mid 1800's. (Belgium being the lone holdout until the very early 20th Century).  The US despite being one of the later to abolish the institution fought the bloodiest war in its history to do so.  More men died in its Civil War than in all its other wars combined (Revolution, War of 1812, Mexican, Spanish, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf I & II, plus all of the Indian wars).  Think of that a WHITE supposedly Christian nation suffered that loss to free black people???!!!!!!  Who'da thunk it.

By way of contrast, having created the slave trade in Africa, then exporting it to the Americas  it is still the ONLY area in the world where the practice not only survives but thrives as never before.  Can I have a loud "THANK YOU ISLAM".
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I can tell you that as early as 1364 firearms were in use, and the Arabs were the first to have them. The moors according to history were in possession of some firearms. 

If you choose to discuss and learn about history, you will need to do it without the many lenses of bias due to how you were raised, taught, believe, and what you have experienced in your lifetime. It only blurs your vision.
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Start here: https://www.bu.edu/afam/
one of the better and more objective ya'll find.


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Find a local uni which has an academic dealing in African history in it's varying facets...they love to show off how much it is they 'think' they know...which is to say..talk. be generous assume he/she does indeed have the quals and the knowledge...and it's there..that you will begin to learn more. But if it's objectivity in that arena u seek... that then depends on the academic..hence be wary.

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Interesting stuff. I would like sources myself but I'll take it as it is I guess, just not sure how much is truthful, mostly the Americas and East Asia part. @Above perhaps they were, but their artistic, cultural, and mathematic advancements are not to be underestimated. I don't know quite where I stand on this, just posting to let op know I appreciate this as I am doing research on Berbers and West Africa and this is pretty fascinating.

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Nicely put JAW.

He won't be able to answer you as I suspended him. His other thread violated the CoC in several ways.

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  Quote J.A.W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jun-2016 at 19:54
Dino FYI, castles are built to dominate the land, & the people.
Castles provide a means for a ruling minority to keep safe in the event of a revolt,
& as a base to sally forth on punitive expeditions, to enforce conquest by force.

The Romans had built extensive defensive fortifications along many of their borders for many centuries,
& the walls of Constantinople kept out the Arab jihadis too.

Islam means submission, & the 'faithful' of that creed are charged with world domination, including
the enslavement of 'infidels', so you can spare us the "freedom" nonsense.

The 'madrasas' teach that only one book is worthy of study, which amounts to an exercise in ignorance.

The Arab jihadis enslaved the black Africans wholesale, & were, in turn, dominated by Turkic Asiatics,
via the Ottomans, & even their forced converts of European origin, the Mamelukes.

The rapacious greed of powerful men has been a constant, right up to Idi Amin, & Robert Mugabe.
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Thank heaven for 7-11 is an old advertising jingle for a convenience store here in the US. Been around for 60 years.
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  Quote Dino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2016 at 09:04
Originally posted by red clay

The moors conquered Spain but weren't satisfied. The ultimate goal was to hold all of Europe. They ran into Charles Martell and his armies.

Yes we know that this was the last stand for Christianity in Europe, and it proved effective. 

"Although Marsile has fled, his uncle Marganice remains, he who rules Carthage, Alfrere, Garmalie, and Ethiopia, an accursed land. He has the black people under his command, their noses are big and their ears broad, together they number more than fifty thousand. They ride fiercely and furiously, then they shout the pagan battle cry."

Originally posted by red clay

The Moors committed atrocities just as any conquering army, in fact their actions gave the Crusaders an excuse to behave as they did.

Yes we know that there was a persistent war for over 700 years between white Christians and those Muslims (most were black initially). The direct consequence of those white Christians who fought the Muslim authorities and lost battles in their reconquest efforts were likely punished in one form or another (I doubt that they would make statues of these Christians who tried to invade the land again).

Considering the standards for religious tolerance at the time Muslim Spain was the light of the Medieval World. In which Christians and Jews lived without persecution, and rather harmoniously for centuries according to many scholars on the subject. 

''The Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain,''(Little, Brown, 2002) by Maria Rosa Menocal, a professor of Spanish and Portuguese at Yale University. Ms. Menocal argues that Andalusia's culture was ''rooted in pluralism and shaped by religious tolerance,'' particularly in its prime -- a period that lasted from the mid-eighth century until the fall of the Umayyad dynasty in 1031. It was undermined, she argues, by fundamentalism -- Catholic and Islamic alike."

It was the Christians who were bloody to those who were different! The Jews as stated earlier entered and left Spain with the Moors rather than live with the Christians, and here are the main reasons. 

"In the 1391 pogroms in Christian Spain, for example, an estimated 100,000 Jews were killed, 100,000 converted and 100,000 forced to flee -- a prelude to the 1492 expulsion of all Jews and the 17th-century expulsion of all Muslims. In comparison, many societies might resemble paradise."

The white Christians are the one's who committed this almost genocidal action against their Jewish minority, not the Muslims who embraced them. This is why I look side ways at those individuals today who proclaim Islam as violent while they are completely ignorant of just how AWFUL those white Christians were to non Christians. These same "Christians" took their bible and committed genocide on two continents and the most heinous atrocities known to man everywhere that they went. These Christians who took over Moorish Spain and utilized the new technology (ships, compass and guns) became the World's first global terrorist. Are you aware of how many native cultures around the World equated the coming of these "Christians" as the equivalent to a prophetic reign of the "Devil"?



Also in regards to their contributions to European society the Moors introduced CASTLES into Europe. Castles are often perceived to have been a staple of European architecture, and to know that even this came as a result of the 700 Moorish occupation of Europe proves just how vital the Moors were to the cultures of Europe.  

"By 711 AD, General Tarik ibn Ziyad al-Gibral, an Islamized African native whence the name, "Gibraltar," is derived, led a major invasion beyond that same peninsula. His fortres is the earliest known medieval castle in Europe, built centuries before those of the Loire Valley in France.



 According to legend, the phrase, "Thank heaven for 711" comes from the overwhelming sentiment of relief experienced when Moorish civilization permeated the Iberian peninsula (Spain, Portugal and Andorra) and Southern France and replaced primitive Visagothic feudal serfdom. For over 750 years, the Moors would lead Spain into an unprecedented era of freedom of association, religion, education and enterprise."

Originally posted by red clay

Your attempts to glorify what the moors did exposes your real intentions.

"Thank heaven for 711" was a song that came about as a result of the blessing of enlightenment that the Moor's relayed to those white Christians who were living in the ignorance, filth and disease of the Dark Ages prior to their entrance into Spain. Now if Europeans do not wish to acknowledge that this is the total opposite of what they did to Africa and the rest of the World 400 years then that's their problem. The nature of colonialism were complete opposites with regards to Europeans and others. 


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The moors conquered Spain but weren't satisfied. The ultimate goal was to hold all of Europe. They ran into Charles Martell and his armies.

The Moors committed atrocities just as any conquering army, in fact their actions gave the Crusaders an excuse to behave as they did.

Your attempts to glorify what the moors did exposes your real intentions.

We have seen and heard all of this before and your as inaccurate as all of the others.



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Originally posted by J.A.W.

The Romans took over the Greek world, including Greek ruled Egypt, yet the cultural Romans were aghast at Caesar & Marc Antony having been seduced by Cleopatra

Are you trying to suggest that certain Europeans who got the notion of civilization from Africa somehow forgot who taught them everything (like basic speech), and subsequently developed a snooty attitude towards Africans?

Originally posted by J.A.W.

( & she was of Greek ethnic origins).

African according to recent "theories" based on her sister having a "negroid" skull.



Originally posted by J.A.W.

Roman citizenship & law was extended to valued peoples of non-Roman origin, this was copied by the Christians & Muslims

The first time that something like this happened was in Africa on the Nile Valley when the Kemites ("Egyptians") allowed the Hyksos to stay (or go) even after they tried to take over Kemet in 1785 B.C.E.. Ahmose could have killed all of the Semitic people's once he defeated and drove out the noncooperating out, but he allowed those who wished to obey African law to stay. The Romans on the other hand ruthlessly destroyed or enslaved anything that resisted it's tyranny. 



Originally posted by J.A.W.

, on the basis of religious conversion later, & unlike the Jews who did not accept 
non-Hebrews, in those days.



Originally posted by J.A.W.

Carthage was a former colony of Phoenician origins, a people from Asia-minor, not Africa, & the Romans reckoned themselves to be from Troy, originally.

Do tell where did the Phoenicians and the people of Troy come from... the Caucus? No! They like every other early ancient civilization was peopled from the various types of black Nile Valley (Kemites or Nubians) - ancient Saharan Africans (known as Kushites).



Phoenician (not Egyptian)


Phoenician

Phoenicians


I see nothing but black people on this ancient Phoenician coinage and scarabs. Ancient Phoenicia was first founded in the late 4th millennium B.C.E. (like many ancient civilizations) as a result of migrants from the desertification phases of the ancient Sahara which pushed Africans in all directions away including past the Nile Valley into the adjacent Fertile Crescent. 



Originally posted by J.A.W.

The Byzantines, even after adopting Greek culture centuries after the fall of Rome, still considered themselves Roman, as did the Islamic Arabs who tried to conquer them.

You do understand that there was nothing civil about Roman imperialism do you? You do realize that people who have allegiance to Rome were likely indoctrinated descended of those who were brutally conquered by those Barbarians? Brainwashed children does not really thwart the bloody legacy of imperialism that Rome is only known for. 

Originally posted by J.A.W.

Arabs certainly do not consider themselves to be of 'black' African stock.

Here is what the original Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula looked like. 




Sixthly, the pre-Islamitic institutions of Yemen and its allied provinces-its monarchies, courts, armies, and serfs-bear a marked resemblance to the historical Africao-Egyptian type, even to modern Abyssinian. Seventhly, the physical conformation of the pure-blooded Arab inhabitants of Yemen, Hadramaut, Oman, and the adjoining districts-the shape and size of head, the slenderness of the lower limbs, the comparative scantiness of hair, and other particulars-point in an African rather than an Asiatic direction....The Pure Arabs and the East Africans are indeed kith and kin. Bertram Thomas, historian and former Prime Minister of Muscat and Oman, reported in his work ‘The Arabs’:

The Encyclopedia Britannica (9th Edition)

“Mr. Baldwin draws a marked distinction between the modern Mahomedan Semitic population of Arabia and their great Cushite, Hamite, or Ethiopian predecessors. The former, he says, ‘are comparatively modern in Arabia,’ they have ‘appropriated the reputation of the old race,’ and have unduly occupied the chief attention of modern scholars.”-- Charles Hardwick (1872)


Originally posted by J.A.W.

They did value the surviving proto-scientific writings by Greeks & Romans though,

The Romans inheritted the legacy of Greece (as we know) and the Greeks of course learned EVERYTHING from the ancient "Egyptians" whom they (the Greeks) themselves credit with their knowledge. The ancient Greeks were not considered "scholars" until they spent at least 40 years of their lives in the "Egyptian mystery schools" learning the sciences, philosophies and arts from the Africans along the Nile. It is in great futility to on the parts of Eurocentric individuals to ignore the evident fact that European civilization was the product of African migrants even before Indo-Europeans (the Dorians in this case) were released from the Caucus and first entered Greece around 14th century B.C.E. 
 
many of which carry the names of the people who developed these ideas, to this day.

Originally posted by J.A.W.

The Jews in Spain had suffered many periods of forced conversion, or destruction/exile  at the hands of both Muslim & Christian zealots,

That doesn't address the fact that EVERYONE thrived in Muslim controlled Spain. It was the result of the White Europe Christian "Reconquest" after 7 centuries of Muslim rule that the Muslims AND JEWS fled from Spain. If the Muslims were persecuting people for not being Muslims then why would Jews not embrace the white Christian takeover of Spain? Given the common Western narrative that they have "always fought" it doesn't make sense, unless they knew that white "Christian jihadist"  were the only real terror...

In the same year that these Moors were kicked out of Spain 1492 was the same year that Europeans began their rampage in America..





Perhaps this is why the Jews left. 

Originally posted by J.A.W.

 & no doubt their hard men would do the same too, - if they'd had the power to do so.

No...I'm tired of this argument being applied to all peoples when we know for a fact that the Moors and other Africans HAD THE POWER at one time to do all of those horrible things to the people whom they conquered and civilized. They chose to use higher morality rather than wallow in lower chakra behaviors. 

Originally posted by J.A.W.

The states of Europe which speak a language directly derived from Latin, & use a modernised formof Roman law give lie to your ignorance about Roman culture, as does the script this written in.

The Roman language and script came from Greek written language which came from ancient Phoenician (African) script and of course the ancient Phoenician script came from the Nile Valley. The Romans never invented any script.




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Dino, your post stat above is just wrong, on so many levels..

The Romans took over the Greek world, including Greek ruled Egypt, yet the cultural Romans were aghast at Caesar & Marc Antony having been seduced by Cleopatra ( & she was of Greek ethnic origins).

Roman citizenship & law was extended to valued peoples of non-Roman origin, this was copied by the
Christians & Muslims, on the basis of religious conversion later, & unlike the Jews who did not accept 
non-Hebrews, in those days.

Carthage was a former colony of Phoenician origins, a people from Asia-minor, not Africa,
& the Romans reckoned themselves to be from Troy, originally. 

The Byzantines, even after adopting Greek culture centuries after the fall of Rome, still considered 
themselves Roman, as did the Islamic Arabs who tried to conquer them.

Arabs certainly do not consider themselves to be of 'black' African stock.
They did value the surviving proto-scientific writings by Greeks & Romans though, 
many of which carry the names of the people who developed these ideas, to this day.

The Jews in Spain had suffered many periods of forced conversion, or destruction/exile  at the hands 
of both Muslim & Christian zealots, & no doubt their hard men would do the same too,
- if they'd had the power to do so.

The states of Europe which speak a language directly derived from Latin, & use a modernised form
of Roman law give lie to your ignorance about Roman culture, as does the script this written in.

It was there for many centuries before the 'Moors' invaded, & is still there now..

I refer you to the fairly recent comments of the former Pope Benedict, 
who quoted the Byzantine Emperor - as to the true nature of the Muslim invasions..


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Originally posted by J.A.W.

Rome, while a 'pagan' society, produced so many marvels

"It is safe to say that the Romans were no great innovators of culture. They mostly copied the so-called “Hellenistic” and Egyptian high cultures. Yes, Rome may have conquered physically but she was conquered culturally. The religion of the Romans, their gods, their rites originally came from Egypt. There were 5000 year old Egyptian equivalents of Roman gods, 5000 years before Rome was built. The cultural center of the Roman Empire was Egypt, specifically Alexandria. There one had the books, the rites, the tradition and the ancient mystery disciplines that had been honed and developed thousands of years before Rome. Up till this day, the arts and sciences encapsulated in those books, are fundamental to the successful construction and sustenance of any human society. The Greeks who heavily influenced Rome, were at the outset a colony of Egyptians and Phoenicians (neighbors to Egyptians) all from Africa. The first and earliest civilizations of the Creteans, Maltans, Pelasgians, Ionians, and Therans came from Africa. The populace was were predominantly African. It was only thousands of years later that the Dorians (Indo -Europeans) appeared and plunged Greece into the dark ages, before it was eventually revived again by Black Egyptian colonists. Solon the first law giver in Athens was a product of the Egyptian mystery school. Pythagoras one of the greatest Greeks that ever lived was a product of Egyptian mystery school. Socrates and Aristotle were long represented as dark-skinned Afro-Greeks by the Arabs, the Saracens, and the Turks, long before North West Europe became ancient Greek fans. Greek language, culture and so-called attainments all came from Egypt, contrary to what you may have been told in government schools. Try find the books written by Martin Bernal – The Black Athena; and Prof George J. James: Stolen Civilization, Godfrey Higgins in his book Anacalypsis, as well as books by Gerald Massey, Drussila Houston- The Wonderful Ethiopians of the ancient Cushitic Empire etc. etc.; to understand this very point. You will come to see that Rome started off as a colony or vassal of the Kartha Hadashians (Carthage), if you were to parse your history very well. It was the influence of the Carthaginians that made Rome. Rome later got its independence and even eventually destroyed Carthage. Yet, Carthage had a thousand years of high culture and pre-eminence before Rome was born. By the time it was destroyed by Romans, Carthage was a thousand year old black African Empire, ruling the then known world through its maritime connections. Ethiopia and Sudan greatly influenced Rome because it was from therein that the first Christian monks reached Rome and established the monastic culture, which eventually was key to the civilization of the entire Europe. See History of Monasticism. You have to stand on the shoulders of giants to be a giant. The Carthaginians, the Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Sudanese, were all great African nations, pre-eminent in culture and sciences of their time, waaaay before Romans could read and write. The Roman numerals, the Roman alphabets, Roman architecture, Roads, system of justice and government, all came from African nations who were in existence thousands of years before Romans knew the meaning of civilization."

Its true that the monopoly monotheistic Eastern religion corroded Rome's vigour, but the Byzantine
rump, even while repressively Christian - kept the light of classical civilization going through the 'dark ages'.

Originally posted by J.A.W.

The claims Dino makes about Islam & enlightened 'conquest' just fall over with one step.. Sharia law.

Due explain why did the Hebrews exit from Spain with the defeat of the Muslims ushering in Christian rule? If the Muslims "subjugated" those "infidels" then why didn't they stay with the "oppressed" Christians who took over? 

In reality no people were subjugated because they were not Muslim. The only tribute that non Muslims did was pay a tax. There was no severe persecution of non Muslims in during Moorish rule. 

Originally posted by J.A.W.

Its true that certain Emirs/Caliphs/Sultans had made good use of the technology of the ancients, which in the West at least, were largely stifled by Papal influence until the end of the 'middle ages', but as Europe advanced, the Islamic world, like the East, was unable, or unwilling to adapt too.

They retained the ancient knowledge from the Nile Valley, and brought it into Europe not once (which is how Greece and Rome came to be) but twice. The Moorish occupation of Spain brought EVERYTHING into Western Europe. Everything from rice and pasta to secret cults (Free Masonry, Rosicrucians etc) brought by the Moors formed the basis for Western Europe's launching pad into colonialism. Celts, Anglos, Vandals (all of these Indo-European groups) did not have a history building ships, navigating with compasses, using algebra (the word itself is Arabic and stems from this very historical moment) etc. 

Originally posted by J.A.W.

By the time of the 'Enlightenment', the values espoused by progressive Western thinkers had enabled a scientific/industrial revolution

Much of the technology that progressed in Western society came later after the deciphering of the Rosetta stones. 
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Originally posted by Dino

Now why would you accuse me of twisting his work if you are not going to quote me where I did? Nothing is twisted and that is precisely why some people do not like what is written in plain truth. It is completely contrary to strong notions that resonates throughout Western society.


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Dino's massive historical misrepresentation is bemusing.

Rome, while a 'pagan' society, produced so many marvels - such as the still standing 'Pantheon' , 
a 20 century old concrete domed structure, which celebrated Roman cultural acceptance.

Its true that the monopoly monotheistic Eastern religion corroded Rome's vigour, but the Byzantine
rump, even while repressively Christian - kept the light of classical civilization going through the 'dark ages'.

The claims Dino makes about Islam & enlightened 'conquest' just fall over with one step.. Sharia law.

Its true that certain Emirs/Caliphs/Sultans had made good use of the technology of the ancients, which
in the West at least, were largely stifled by Papal influence until the end of the 'middle ages', but as 
Europe advanced, the Islamic world, like the East, was unable, or unwilling to adapt too.

By the time of the 'Enlightenment', the values espoused by progressive Western thinkers had enabled
a scientific/industrial revolution, which if blighted by the excesses of rampant capitalism, had at least
mostly shrugged off the despotic 'slave' mentality (in law, if not in social practice) by the 2nd 1/2 of the C19th.

It was only after the general acceptance of 'common good' values such as public health/education were
established that issues such as literacy/life expectancy for regular people finally bettered the old Romans.




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  Quote Dino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2016 at 18:41
Now why would you accuse me of twisting his work if you are not going to quote me where I did? Nothing is twisted and that is precisely why some people do not like what is written in plain truth. It is completely contrary to strong notions that resonates throughout Western society.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2016 at 10:25
This may surprise you, but not much of this is new. We have had many "Afro-Centrists" through here.

Be careful with playing fast and loose with Van Sertima quotes. He was the chair of African studies at Rutgers, The state Uni of New Jersey. I attended quite a few of his lectures. Folks have been twisting his work to fit their theories for years.

"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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  Quote Dino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2016 at 09:48
Guns and Sails in the First Phase of English Colonization, 

1500–1650 N. A. M. Rodger

Ship design on the Atlantic seaboard of Western Europe was changing in the later fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, and the cumulative effect of these changes was to transform European shipping in ways which profoundly influenced the overseas expansion of every European state. Moreover, the changes operated differently in different countries, and their effect in England and Scotland was to create some distinctive and valuable advantages, as well as some disadvantages, in the competition with other countries for overseas possessions and markets. The kind of ships the English and Scots built, and the manner in which they armed them, had a real influence on the way in which their colonial empire eventually developed. Naval architecture, naval tactics, gunnery, and navigation were fundamental technical skills upon which overseas expansion was to be built, and they have to be understood to be fully accounted for.

We know that before Britain became the plague of the World that it has worked hard to maintain, and that directly before destroying everything 



that they touched outside of Europe (hence a plague) that they first began to torment other Indo-European groups in the British Isles (Irish, Scots, etc).

"Ireland during the period 1536–1691 saw the first full conquest of the island by England and its colonization with Protestant settlers from Britain. This established two central themes in future Irish history – subordination of the country to London-based governments and sectarian animosity between Catholics and Protestants."


The Moors are the blacks who taught these Caucasians how to use the technology (compass, ships, guns, science, astrology etc) to advance their state (the second time that Africans have done this  Indo - Europeans) Some of them however used this blind empowerment to do take over the World. 


Edited by Dino - 17-Jun-2016 at 09:54
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