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    Posted: 26-Mar-2016 at 18:16
HI All!

Im looking for a list of identified sites from Homeric cities (not the obvious ones like Tiryns/Glah or Mykene but the more obscure ones.
Im planning to make a trip around mainly mainland Greece this summer to visit as many sites a possible ,yes im a Homer/Bronze age freak.

I hope someone can post at east a few of these sites.

All the best.
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  Quote Aeoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2016 at 03:41
This is one of my favourite map. Maybe it can help 

Warriors of Trojan War and Their Regions&Cities


Edited by Aeoli - 27-Mar-2016 at 03:42
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Thx A lot! Aeoli! seems like a pretty decent map, now its up to me if i can find some additional info on the exact sites whether what is still present in remains (walls etc).

Nice that your map shows Homeric sites on Asia Minor as well maybe , for next summer.

Regards.

(PS if someone else has other maps/locations feel free to share)
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2016 at 15:50
I have never seen map with such a lot of details Cadmus!Have a nice ride here.Will try to find more of this.Smile
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  Quote Aeoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2016 at 23:59
Originally posted by Cadmus

Thx A lot! Aeoli! seems like a pretty decent map, now its up to me if i can find some additional info on the exact sites whether what is still present in remains (walls etc).

Nice that your map shows Homeric sites on Asia Minor as well maybe , for next summer.

Regards.

(PS if someone else has other maps/locations feel free to share)

If you have time, please share photoes of unknown sites, all members will be glad. 

Here is a source about Asia Minor; a blog of Turkish archealogist. You can find many ancient unknown cities or ones which are not for tourist

Example; Ancient site Cyme


Edited by Aeoli - 28-Mar-2016 at 00:04
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2016 at 16:23
Hi Aeoli!

Im pretty busy now in finding the exact whereabouts of the Homeric cities (area/coordinates etc etc ) luckily much is to be found on the net.
And offcourse i will submit the best photo's here , but its going to be a tough job Wink
(Edit the map is complete didnt notice at first the scrollbar Embarrassed)
Regards.


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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2016 at 02:12
There is a thesis that Scheria/Phaeacia is Squillace in Calabria, it seems pretty convincing (except for some of Spanuth's points possibly). You can fnd the paper via Atlantipedia website. (Though Atlantis city (which some connect with Scheria) is Tiahuanaco in Peru, not in Malta (not far from Calabria).)

That map also listing the persons is good/helpful too.
Is there any full lists of the Trojans & allies, and Greeks persons (2 separate lists not mixed) anywhere?

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2016 at 03:42
Thera is the one and only candidate for Plato's Atlantis.
Pre Iliad /Troy(timeframe) i wouldnt suspect any Trojan or Achaen allies to come from Italy, most probably post Troy during the Nostoi some refugees settled on Italy's coast , remember that around 1100 BC the bronze age collapse was in full completion even Mykene and Tyrins were abandoned back then after holding out from 1200-1100 BC when all the other Homeric cities vanquished from the face of the earth (Orchomenos/Iolkos/Thebe/Pylos/Sparta etc).


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  Quote Aeoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2016 at 05:17
Perseus Library is also good about archeologic research

You can choose a period, and see the name of the site + photoes of some architecture in there
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/artifactBrowser?object=Building&field=Period





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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2016 at 05:04

Cadmus:

The main point of my post was Homeric Scheria/Phaeacia, not Atlantis.

The Atlantis was just thrown in on a side related note, I can not discuss it here as i will be had up for off-topic. Can only say that Thera is not, and positively can not possibly be Atlantis, plus it is beyond doubt from the evidence i have found that Tiahuanaco etc match the account positively beyond doubt (with confirmations like the Inca picture from the Coricancha, and the Atlas motif spade symbol rising from concentric city above head in Peruvian masks). See my Atlantis paper at lifetradition.webs.com . Thera doesn't match the size, or distance, etc. For example where is the large plain, the mountains greater than any in known world, the 10 kings regions, the many species of animals, rivers, oreichalc mined in many places of the island, the "remotest of the world", the large population and army, and it did not disappear except for muddy sea, the came from outside, beyond the Pillars, the conquered upto Tyrrhenia and Libya, plus Atlantis did not explode, etc etc. Where is the remains of the concentric city and the large temple? Tiahuanaco, Altiplano, Andes, Peru, South America have all these in physical geography/archaeology and in local accounts and pictures. Thera's date is disputed/uncertain.

Some relate Atlantis to Scheria/Phaeacia (Spanuth), some even relate it to Troy (Zangger, Schleimann). That is the only reason i mentioned it, and also because i didn't want the Squillace ~ Scheria to mislead people to believe the Atlantis ~ Malta.

Yes Atlantis is pre-Trojan war date seemingly.

Trojan war seems closer to time of 18th dyn just before Sea Peoples of 19th/20th dyn, but the ascribed orthodox dates are wrong. Shishak (c 900s) of bible pretty certainly seems to be 19th dynasty (Ramses 2 or Seti). Moses (ca 1400s) was definitely 2nd half of 12th dynasty. Josephus said 1300 years Menes to Shishak, Herodotus said (1)1340 years Menes to Seti. See my Egyptian chronology paper at 2rbetterthan1.wordpress.com , and the Atlantis paper at the other link already given above.


I managed to compile my own list of Trojan and Greek characters. (Haven't filled in details yet, just names. May be some mistakes.)

Trojans/[(Thraco-)Phrygians?] & allies :
Acamas
Adrastus/Adrestus
Aegeoneus (m.)
Aeneas (m.)
Aesacus (m.)
Aesyetes
Agathon (m.)
Agenor
Ainia
Alexander (m.)
Alexirhoe (f.)
Amphimachus
Amphius
Anchises (m.)
Andromache
Antenor
Antibrote
Antilochus?
Antinous (m.)
Antiphus (m.)
Antiphonus (m.)
Aphrodite
Apollo
Archemachus (m.)
Archilochus
Ares (m.)
Aretus (m.)
Arisbe (f.)
Aristomache (f.)
Aristodeme (f.)
Artemis
Assaracus
Ascanius (m.)
Asia (f.)
Asius
Asteropaios
Astyanax
Astyoche (f.)
Astynomus (m.)
Astygonus (m.)
Atas (m.)
Atlas
Axion (m.)
Axylus
Batea
Biantes (m.)
Bias (m.)
Brissonius (m.)
Brut(us)/Brute (m.)
Calesius
Caletor
Callirrhoe
Capys
Castianeira (f.)
Cassandra (f.)
Cebren
Cebriones
Cheirodamas (m.)
Chersidamas (m.)
Chronus (m.)?
Chromius/Chromis (m.)
Chryseis
Chryslaus (m.)
Cleodice (f.)
Cleomestra (f.)
Clete
Clonius (m.)
Clymene (f.)
Coroebus
Cressida
Creusa (f.)
Cycnus
Dardanus (m.)
Deiphobus (m.)
Deinome (f.)
Deiopites (m.)
Demnosia (f.)
Demosthea (f.)
Democoon (m.)
Dius (m.)
Dolon (m.)
Doryclus (m.)
Dryops (m.)
Echemmon (m.)
Echephon (m.)
Eetion
Eioneus
Electra (f.)
Ennomus
Eos
Epistrophus (Alybe)
Eris
Eresus (m.)
Erichtonius
Ethinome (f.)
Eteoneus
Euphemus
Euphorbus
Eurypylus
Eurytion
Evagoras (m.)
Evander (m.)
Ganymede (m.)
Glaucus (m.)
Gorgythion (m.)
Hecuba (f.)
Hector (m.)
Helen (f.)
Helneus (m.)
Henicea (f.)
Hero(n) (m.)
Hesione (f.)
Hicetaon
Hippasus (m.)
Hippodamas (m.)
(Hippolochus (m.))
Hipponous (m.)
Hipposidus (m.)
Hippothous (m.)
Hyperion (m.)
Hyperochus (m.)
Iapyx
Idaea (f.)
Idomeneus (m.)
Ilagus (m.)
Ilia (f.)
Iliona (f.)
Ilioneus
Ilus (m.)
Imbrius
Isus (m.)
Jupiter
Kebriones (m.)
Laocoon
Laothoe (f.)
Laodice (f.)
Laomedon (m.)
Laodocus (m.)
Leto
Lycaon (m.)
Lysimache (f.)
Lysianassa (f.)
Lysides (m.)
Lysithous (m.)
Medesicaste (f.)
Medusa (f.)
Melanippus (m.)
Memnon (Ethiopia/Assyria)
Mentes
Merops
Mesthles
Mestor (m.)
Metoche (f.)
(Molossus)
Mygdon
Mynes
Mylius (m.)
Nastes
Nereis (f.)
Oceanus
Odius (Alybe)
Oenone
Othryoneus
(Otrera (f.))
Palaemon (m.)
Pallas Athene
Pammon (m.)
Pandarus
Panthous
Paris (m.)
Pedasus
Peisis (f.)
Peirous
Penthesilea (f.) (Thermodon/Amazonian)
Phegea (f.)
Philaemon (m.)
Philomela (f.)
Phorcys
Pleione
Podarces (m.)
Polites (m.)
Poludamas
Polymedon (m.)
Polymelus (m.)
Polydorus (m.)
Polyxena (f.)
Priam/[Priimua?] (m.)
Proneos (m.)
Protodamas (m.)
Pylaemenes (Paphlagonia)
Pylaeus
Pyrachmes/Pyraechmes
Rhesus
Sarpedon
Scamander
Scylaceus (m.)
Silvius
Telestas (m.)
Tenes (m.)
(Terpischore (f.))
Tethys (f.)
Teucer (m.)
Theanus
Themiste (f.)
Tithonus
Troilus
Tros (m.)
Ucalegon
Venus
Xanthus
Xenodice (f.)
Zeus (m.)


(Thraco-)Phrygians/[Trojans?]:
Adamas
Attis/Atys (m.)
Attis
Agdistis
[??Becos??]
Cybele?
Dionysos?
Gordias?
Kybele?
Marsyas
Midas/Mita
Nana
Papas
Priapos ~ Prajapati?
Sabazius
Sangarios/Sangarius (m.)
Zemelo

Thracian/Thraco-Phrygian:
Ares?
Boreas?
Zibelthiurdos?
Zalmoxus?

Lydian/Maeonian:
Agelaus
Agron
Annat
Anax
Ardys?
Artimus
Atys
Baki(s)
Broteas
Candaules
Car
Damasen
Gyges?
[Gugae]
Hipta
Hermos
Hullos "river"
Kandaules
Kubebe
Lametrus
Lydus/Ludos
Lud/Ludim?
Lukos
Marseyus
Manes
Maeones
Omfale/Omphale
Sadyattes?
[?Sandon/Sandan?]
Tantalus
Tmolus


Lycian:
Glaucus
Sarpedon

Greeks/Hellenes/Achaeans:
Abantes
Acamas
Achaeus (m.)
Achilles (m.)
(Actor)
Adrastus
(Aeacus)
(Aegiale (f.))
(Aegina (f.))
(Aerope)
Agamemnon (m.)
Agapenor
Ajax the Great
Ajax the Lesser
Alcmaeon
Amarynceus
Amphidamas
Amphimachus
Anticlus
Antilochus
Antimachus
Antiphates
Antiphus
Arc(h)esilaus
Ascalaphus
Asclepius
(Asteria?)
(Astyoche)
Athena
(Atreus)
Automedon
Calchas
Canopus
(Chloris (f.))
[Cleocypticus?]
Clonius
(Clymene)
(Clytemnestra)
Cyanippus
Cyncus
(?Daunus?)
(Deidamia (f))
Demophon
(Deucalion)
Diomedes
Diores
Echion
Elephenor
Epeius
Epistrophus
Eteoneus
(Euippe (f.))
Eumelus
(Eune (f.)?)
Eurymedon
Euryalus
Eurybates
Eurydamas
Eurymachus
Eurypylus
Eurytus
Guneus
Halaesus
Helen (f.)
Hellen (m.)
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
(Hermione (f))
Ialmenus
Iasus
Idomeneus (Crete)
Iphigeneia (f.)
(Iphiclus)
Iphidamas
(Lanassa)
Laodamia
Leitus
Leonteus
Lycomedes
Machaon
Medon
Meges
Meleager
Menelaus (Sparta)
Menestheus
(Menoetius)
Meriones (Crete)
(Minos)
(Molossus)
(Nauplius)
(Neleus)
Neoptolemus (m.)
Nestor
Nireus
Odysseus (m.) (Ithaca)
(Oeax)
(Oileus)
Palamedes
(Pasiphae)
Patroclus
(Peleus)
Peneleos/Peneleus
Ph(e)idippus
Philoctetes
Phoenix
Podalirius
Podarces
Podalirius
(Poeas)
Polypoetes
Polyxenus
Poseidon
Protesilaus
Prothoenor
Prothous
Schedius
Sinon
Stentor
(Sthenele)
Sthenelus
Talthybius
(Telamon)
(Telemachus)
Teucer
Thalpius
Thersander
Thersites
Thetis
Thoas
Thrasymedes
Thyestes
Tlepolemus
(Tydeus)
Ulysses (m.)
Zeus (m.)


Cretan/Minoan:
Aeacus
Crus
Idomeneus
Meriones
Minos
Minotaur
Rhadamanthys
Sarpedon
Talos

(Not all are Illiad/Trojan War characters, but most are. They are all related though.)

There are some similarities between Trojan War and the Mahabharata? I am investigating another possibility but can't leak it yet because either it could be wrong or i don't want it stolen.



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  Quote Teenwolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2017 at 06:23
Originally posted by Aeoli

This is one of my favourite map. Maybe it can help 

Warriors of Trojan War and Their Regions&Cities


WOOOOW!!!! Great map Aeoli!! have you created all this map?? if not where did you get it??
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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2017 at 08:28

I think i saw the same map in Wikipedia article about Trojan war.

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  Quote Aeoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jul-2017 at 02:22
Not nime work but it is very old map for me. 

As a man who was born a city which is just 1 hour away form ancient city Lyrnessos, you have to know your history.

"The way to have a homeland is to know the historical events that took place in that land, to recognize and possess the born civilizations." Ataturk
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