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    Posted: 12-Jun-2005 at 20:13
Doesn't history mean the past?  If so, that would mean that history ends at the present.  As for what is taught as history, it depends on what you are taking and what the curiculum is.
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Technically, history began when man started to write, and the period before this is prehistory. That would mean that history ends when man stops writing.

In my opinion, however, history is a much broader discipline which basically means, the study of the past. Natural history, prehistory and even current events are all, in my opinion, subsets of "history".

Now, obviously the most modern events have some difficulty in being analysed easily, but that does't matter, they are still history. As we learn more we discover more about this history.

So when does history end? I consider history to come up to and include the present.

 

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We also have the history of geology, Plate movements, these are not written.

Any account of past written or unwritten is history.
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No, history is written. The defenition of history is written past. The unwritten past is Archaeology. And there is not history of geology, there is only a history of the study of geology and a past of geological events...
 
It's all in the defenition. Wink

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Which is what history is, tales of the past. 
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In its deepest meaning isn't history simply a tool man uses trying to escape his own annahilation? Isn't it all about trying to get the things that we think are going to save us and then realising that they won't?
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In archaeology we were taught that a historic artifact is something older than 50 years. Now, if we use this same concept, histoy will always end 50 years before the present (not to be confused with "BP-Before Present" which actually has a set date of 1950, IIRC).
 
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Right events of past 50 years should be classified as current affairs.
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Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Which is what history is, tales of the past. 
 
'Tales' are not history. 'Tales' are fiction.
 
There is a history of tales, but tales are not history.
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History ends today, tomorrow history ends tomorrow.
 
What lies in the past is history, present and future is unknown, but will soon become history.
 
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Originally posted by Morgoth

Technically, history began when man started to write, and the period before this is prehistory. That would mean that history ends when man stops writing.



This is the best response given here, in my opinion...

History started in Iraq thanks to the civilization who found writing,maybe history will end when someone with bad-intentions equpped with a war-head in  Iraq nukes up the whole world.
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Originally posted by gcle2003

When I graduated in 1956, history - even 'modern history' - ended in 1914, when, as the British Foreign Secretary put it, the lights were going out all over the world.
 
That was about a 40-year gap. Which would mean that nowadays the Kennedy assassination, say, would be 'history', but the Vietnam war would not be.
 
However, 1914 wasn't just 40 years before. It also marked a cataclysmic change (at least the beginning of one) in the world.
 
Is there a comparable date/event that now should be taken as marking the 'end of history'? 
 
There are philosophical debates about how to define 'history'.  My personal definition is simple: History is anything that happened in the past.
 
Some teachers have strange opinions about this.  I've heard of teachers telling students that 'history' started at year 0, and I don't agree with teachers who say that any events that occurred before man started writing are not part of human history - it's an idea that historians have tried to make us believe for thousands of years until challenged by archaeologists, anthropologists, paleontologists, etc...
 
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Well, to speak in my senses, history began when materia/antimateria was created and from it the reaction to create Galaxies.

Therefore, history ends when materia and antimateria disappear or evaporate. So, basically, history will never end, nor has it ended.

NOTE: I just remembered that pressing Insert after a certain English/Latin character, it becomes Greek (plus, characters like 'th' or whatever, change automatically into 'th'=''.)

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Posts: 1933 		  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 12:20
Originally posted by rider

NOTE: I just remembered that pressing Insert after a certain English/Latin character, it becomes Greek (plus, characters like 'th' or whatever, change automatically into 'th'=''.)

Λονγ λιvε ε Γρεεκ

Τηεsε αρε ωιερδ χαραcτερσ Ι ωουλδ συγγεστ γοινγ ρεvερσε - fρομ βαcκ το υσ usινγ Ινσερτ
 
Neat, lol...


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That insert trick doen's work for me.. I just copy-paste them from word...
 
Besides, how does the computer know th has to be thau or thorn?


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*If you start from the end of the word, it checks what the characters are...

Like when I have the word 'rabbit', I begin from 't' and move backwards pressing Insert before each new character. so rabbit-ραββιτ...
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History ends when Armegeddon happens. Everybody dies so no one is left to explain history.
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SubjectTopic: When does history end?
 
When does the history of WHAT end.  You didn't specify.
 
What do you think about this?:
 
The history of the universe would end if the universe stops existing.
The history of humanity would end if humanity stops existing.
The history of the Empire State Building can end with another 9/11.
The history of the dinosaurs ended when they stopped existing.
The history of the earth began when the planet started forming.
 
The history of the Empire State Building:
 
1799: The City of New York sells a virgin tract (now bounded by Broadway and Sixth Avenue on the west, Madison Avenue on the east, 33rd Street on the south and 36th Street on the north) to John Thompson for $2,600. He farms it.
 
1825:  Thompson sells the farm to Charles Lawton for $10,000.
 
1827:  William Backhouse Astor, the second son of John Jacob Astor, buys the farm for $20,500 as an investment.
 
1859:  John Jacob Astor, Jr. erects a mansion on the northwest corner of 33rd Street and Fifth Avenue.
 
1862:  John Jacob, Jr.'s younger brother, William Backhouse Astor, builds his mansion next door at the southwest corner of 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.
 
1893:  William Waldorf Astor, son of John Jacob Astor, Jr., razes his inherited mansion and erects the Waldorf Hotel on the corner of Fifth Avenue and 33rd Street.
 
1897:  Mrs. William Backhouse Astor, sister-in-law of John Jacob, Jr., allows her mansion at 34th Street and Fifth Avenue to be razed and the Astoria Hotel is erected on the site. The new complex is known as the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel.
 
1928:  The Waldorf-Astoria Hotel is sold to Bethlehem Engineering Corporation for an estimated $20 million.
 
1929:  John Jakob Raskob (creator of General Motors), Coleman du Pont, Pierre S. du Pont (president of E.I. Du Pont de Nemours), Louis G. Kaufman and Ellis P. Earle, form Empire State, Inc. and name Alfred E. Smith, former Governor of New York and Presidential Candidate, to head the corporation.
 
1930:  Excavation of the site where the Empire State Building would stand begins on January 22nd.
 
1930:  On March 17, construction of the Empire State Building began. Under the direction of architects Shreve, Lamb & Harmon Associates, and a peak labor force of 3,000 men, framework rose at a rate of 4 stories per week.
 
1930:  The masonry work for the building, which began in June of the same year, is completed on November 13.
 
1931:  On May 1st, President Hoover presses a button in Washington, D.C. officially opening and turning on the Empire State Building's lights.
 
1945:  On July 28, an Army Air Corps B-25 crashes into the Building at the 79th floor level. Fourteen people died. Damage to the Building was $1 million but the structural integrity of the building was not affected.
 
1951:  The Building is sold by the John J. Raskob estate for $34 million to a group headed by Roger I. Stevens. At the same time, Prudential Insurance Company of America buys the Building for $17 million and enters into a long-term ground lease with the owners. In 1954, a Chicago group headed by Col. Henry J. Crown buys the Building for $51.5 million.
 
1981:  On May 18, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission declares the Building a Landmark.
 
1986:  The Empire State Building is recognized as a National Historic Landmark by the National Parks Services, I.S. Department of the Interior and a commemorative plaque was awarded.
 
 


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history ends with the absolute idea.

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History ends now...because "now" marks the transition between past (i.e. history) and the future.

In practice, it seems like 1990 is a good stopping point for "history". Of course, in the future, that will change. I've also seen history textbooks written to within a few years to the present.


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