Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet Fighter

unnecessary act or just a decoy?!?

It could be "shits happen" i hope.Regards C.V.Hope those insane acts will gone soon as it possible.

They certainly have a history of provocation; and have no doubted adopted, under Putin, the old style Soviet military aggression to state their agenda.

Europe and the US were warned. And appeasement or deflection will not serve.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense-news/2015/10/08/turkey-now-theater-west-russia-dispute-over-syria/73567034/


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/russian-bombers-penetrated-us-airspace-least-16-ti/


http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/bully-baltics-kremlin%E2%80%99s-provocations


http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-violates-finnish-airspace-sixth-time-year-330105



http://www.ibtimes.com/despite-nato-warnings-russia-has-history-violating-airspace-turkey-baltics-2198519

''And for Assad, passing to Syrian Desert and taking ISIS capital Raqqa can not be the first act. Taking second biggest Syrian city Aleppo is more important. ''

I concur...Tho AQ proxies are hard at work.

The agenda for Aleppo is Assad-Russian-Iranian one.

The wild Cards? Numerous.

Yet ISIS still gains.... as the diversion/strat of conflicting agendas....based on the lack of major American leadership....well serves them... before others.

SEE:'' Al Nusrah Front fights Iraqi militia in Aleppo''


http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/11/al-nusrah-front-fights-iraqi-militia-in-aleppo.php[/URL]

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 24-Nov-2015 at 19:21

I can concur again...the provocation and violations of the Russians into the Turk airspace, as noted above, have been serious. And in all probability, if not a certainty, were deliberate.

Why? agendas at odds by the players.

Stay away from that border if you can. We may occasional be at odds over various things...but I wish you well and no harm.

Updates.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/25/second-russian-pilot-shot-down-turkey-alive-ambassador



As noted the versions differ...but that's expected.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12015465/Turkey-shoots-down-Russia-jet-live.html


The problem and rather stupid reaction on the part of the rebels was killing the pilot while under parachute. This is murder. As defined by Proto 1, Art 42, of the GC; and agreed upon by 147 states as ratified. With three other states signing in 1977..tho not yet ratified (United States, Iran, and Pakistan).

Turkey remains a noted non signer.

Once landed the rules might vary..as a pilot might become a combatant again or not. The Int RC also subscribes these protos and articles as customary international law whether ratifies or not.

Iirc, all the NATO states, less Turkey, have agreed to enforcement of Art 42.

So have the Russians.

Consequently, it was a stupid act. As it merely exacerbated the potential for further crisis. The rebels would have been much better served by capturing the pilot/nav and treating them accordingly.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 25-Nov-2015 at 15:59

The Turks did well. Russians understand only the language of power and respects only those who can show that are ready to fight (one of the reasons is that they are not ready to fight;) ). Turkey did show that it must be respected, that Turkey is not Estonia or Latvia which can be easily bullied or theatened by Russia. If you will follow this path sooner or later the Russians will come to you and offer you to warm mutual relations, "friendship and cooperation". They made already almost all their neighbours hostile and the last thing they need is to make now Turkey hostile to them.


Edited by Mosquito - 26-Nov-2015 at 06:47

More analysis and opinion may be found here:

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/turkey-shoots-down-a-paper-tiger-1448406008-lMyQjAxMTE1MjIwNTUyMDU4Wj


http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/merve-tahiroglu-putins-belligerence-reaches-a-tipping-point/


http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russo-turkish-tensions-start-russian-air-campaign-0

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis More analysis and opinion may be found here: http://www.wsj.com/article_email/turkey-shoots-down-a-paper-tiger-1448406008-lMyQjAxMTE1MjIwNTUyMDU4Wj http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/merve-tahiroglu-putins-belligerence-reaches-a-tipping-point/ http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russo-turkish-tensions-start-russian-air-campaign-0

Thanks for sharing. Especialy the first article is very good.

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis You both restating the obvious...and I agree. But Turkish allied rebels 'murdering' the pilot was stupid...and a war crime...that did not have to be laid at Turkey's feet. And arguing, or obfuscating, and disregarding it, thru minimization is mere straw. On the other hand this pilot was a member of bomber crew which was bombing Turkish allies. When one sends soldiers to kill other people, he must be aware that his soldiers are also mortal and may die.

Turkish allies were stupid and the fact he was in a mission posture does not minimize the war crime. His target was approved by his higher authority. Therefore his mission, while perhaps odius, was ntl legal based on that authority and their sovereign legality.

His summary execution 'under parachute' was not.