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Topic: Greatest Egyptian Pharaohs Posted: 24-May-2005 at 17:19 |
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 17:20 |
If you love Ancient history please check out this great forum:
http://ancient-empires.net/forum/index.php?act=idx
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 17:28 |
Correction, it should read Thutmose III rather then Thutmose II. I apologize. Thutmose III is said to be the Napoleon of Egypt because he was a great military leader.
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 17:28 |
I'm not sure if Akhenaton is the greatest Pharao, but I had always had a soft spot for him.
For his sheer guts to abandon thousand years of religious and cultural traditions and to install a completely new and monotheistic religion. And for the sheer futility of it all.
However, if I see one more programme on him or his charming wife Nefertiti on Discovery, I might change my mind.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 13:26 |
Ramses II
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 04:22 |
Thutmose III THE GREATEST EGYPTION PHARAOH HE LED THE LIBRATION WAR AGAINST HYKSOS
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Posted: 29-May-2005 at 02:06 |
Tough choices - how do you choose the greatest - from 3000 years? Most well recorded - most construction - biggest empire - most famous?
Rameses II and Thutmose III are two of the best documented - doesn't necessarily mean that they were the greatest - just that they had the best press agents.
IIRC the Hyksos were finally expelled from Egypt by Amose I (ca. 1550 - ca. 1525?) founder of the 18th dynasty.
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Posted: 29-May-2005 at 02:27 |
To a researched scholar Ramses II might appear overrated because he greatly embellished his exploits. But to me thats what makes him so great. His propoganda fooled people for mellenia and he was worshipped as a god by some Nubian tribes as late as the 19th century. As an individual he suceeded in duping us all on his greatness, and is that not greatness in its own right?
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Posted: 29-May-2005 at 16:33 |
I chose Ramses, but perhaps I should have chosen Psamtik. Does anyone know a thing about Psamtik. Anthing that isn't found in the encyclopedias?
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Posted: 31-May-2005 at 18:30 |
Tutankhamun, though he is only really remembered because of the discovery of his tomb, he undid the damage that Akenaten's rule did to Egypt. Akenhaten tried to destroy thousands of years of culture and impose a monotheistic religion. When Tutankhamun came to power he restored the old religion.
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Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 06:56 |
My vote went to Akhenaten. Without being religious, i admit his switching to monotheism (by raising Aten to Supreme Deity) to be one of the turningpoints in humankind history. I adhere to the theory that Akhenaten and Moses are the same person.
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Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 22:48 |
I have to bring up my second favorite, Hatchupset. In a forum dominated by men she is likely to get little attention anyway. Hatchupset either fooled or convinced people to let her be Pharoah, some of her greatest works still stand and it was her tightening of control and finance that greatly helped her ungrateful son to have the military career he had.
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Posted: 16-Jul-2005 at 16:25 |
Why isn't Menes among the options? After all he created Egypt.
I voted for Hatseput, just for the sake of it, though Tuthmose III has
much merit too. What I can't understand is why Tutankhamen is even
among the options, just because he is mediatically famous, I guess.
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Posted: 17-Jul-2005 at 11:05 |
Akhenaten, Moses...
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Posted: 17-Jul-2005 at 19:55 |
Thutmose III by a mile. Ramses was a great Pharoah but Thutmoses'
greatness was built on accomplishments whereas Ramses was a great
seller of his image(sometimes at others expense).I also find myself
intrigued about Akenaton and the possibility of his being the Pharoah
of the Exodus.His sudden change to monotheism is a good subject of
discussion in and of its self.To change the religion of a great empire
at its zenith of power begs many questions.What was his reasoning?Was
it to destroy the power of the priests?A very credible argument since
the priests seems to have had control of the nation.Or was he copying
the religion of another people?
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