The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down..

Did they play this famous old song when the grand ol' CSA battle-flag was finally hauled down from its position on the South Carolina State array?

That flag represented many things but was not the official flag of the Confederacy. It was rejected as such and thus became the 'battle flag' of the ANV. Nor was it alone as battle flag.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America


But in truth it became a much later hated symbol.

Consequently the National flags of Spain-England and the US should equally bear burden if the association is meant to represent the shame of slavery.

Will they be removed from any battle monuments-Federal Buildings-Consulates etc?

Will native American reservations remove the Stars and Stripes from their properties?

Weill the French and Dutch, Spanish and Mexican require a similar action in defiance of the loss of their colonies?

No need to respond..I already know the answers.

All this remains is a 'leftist democrat' sop to the AAC to ensure their real slavery ie. ongoing conformance and support for failed social policies... iow.their allegiance to the same.

amen.

Originally posted by red clay CV, your dancing around a reality, that flag was raised as a direct response to the Civil Rights movement. It was removed because it had become a symbol of Hate and exclusion, no left, no right. I'm more than a little surprised by your post. You wouldn't mind then, if someone flys the Nazi Swastika, or the "Rising Sun".

Nope no dancing ole son...reporting the truth. I don't deny that it was an instruement of the rejection of the CRM...Note: ''But in truth it became a much later hated symbol.''


But if u assume that is the only reason for it's rejection u err. It represented slavery as an issue then as it does now. Civil rights for AA did not exist until the 14th amendment. Cant dodge that. The evolution of the same was for nearly a 100 years a long and bitter and much overdo necessity.

No doubt.

Given the historic contex there was no other way.

But at heart it wasn't a peace of cloth that burden should have been bestowed on... but the mindset of the bigots...then and now.. 'who used it' as a mechanism to perpetrate the racism.

It and the other flags mentioned represented proportionally until a much later date. ie 1865...or until the abolishment of the policy the same. How long did the US flag fly above slavery prior to 1865?


Iow. In turn this current effort remains nothing more than what I id' a liberal leftist promotion of the DP to retain their political base in the AA community. The same party who traces their roots to slave states

The hypocrisy is ripe. The liberal leftist and progressive learned long ago that dissimulation was key to their agenda.

The political right falls in line because it's pc. Not because they may or may not have a legit concern with failed socialist welfare policies perped by the DP towards the AAC. Or the AAC at large period.

The left uses this not as the appropriate symbol rejection it should be but as a tool to retain it's existence and status as feigned champions of the minorities in the nation.

Cant dodge it ole Son. And I know you don't like it but there it is.

As for broken crosses and suns?

U already know better.

I hate the fucers as symbols of what they represented.

But in context, afaic, that's an apple orange issue as relates to degree of representation and the historical effects of those who used them as symbols. Which was the more horrendous... slavery in America or Nazi's trying to exterminate an ethnic group and enslave an entire world?


Tis all relative ole Red.

Otoh, I swore an oath that by nature requires me to allow for the individual's right of representation-speech-expression...no matter how gawdamn detestable I find it. So let the fucers fly. It's their right.

And until others can say they have done the same (taken that oath) or have had family that did and appreciate it...then I merely right em off.

And you understand that better than most...so why the surprise?

I'm not here defending the ANV battleflag and what, post 1865 ,it came to represent. Any more than I defend them fucing wackos in Idaho shouting zieg heil.

Far from it.

But this is as much about today's American politics ie. mid 20th ce- present-pcness; as it is about redressing and accepting responsibility and apologising for past historical action.

So lets haul down the Stars and Stripes as well. Because it once represented slavery. And no matter how hard ya try ya cant dodge it.
And for that matter for all those sic f**ks out there in Idaho it still does.

Amen.







Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 13-Jul-2015 at 11:33

I recently re-watched the somewhat revisionistic movie 'Glory',
& I did enjoy the acting, even if the movie virtually ignores the concerns of CSA,
( & gave only grudging acknowledgement of their valour/fighting accomplishments, while glossing over the faults of the Unionists..

As it is said, the history is written by the victors, not by the defeated. The South lost the war and is condemned, the Southerners and their symbols are considered almost as bad as nazists in WW2.....

If I was a Southerner whose ancestors fought in civil war I would have been really angry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKih6b7IssA

U can think what u like...but the answer to your question is no.

I am from the Llano.

And that part of my home state was occupied by Comanches and Lipan Apaches with an occasional foray by the S. Cheyenne and Utes...during the time frame of the ACW.

After settlement by Anglos...it became an area of predominately northern sympathizers; as the culture and traditions reflected those of the central and northern great plains..who were definitely not sympathetic to the 'lost cause'.

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis U can think what u like...but the answer to your question is no. I am from the Llano. And that part of my home state was occupied by Comanches and Lipan Apaches with an occasional foray by the S. Cheyenne and Utes...during the time frame of the ACW. After settlement by Anglos...it became an area of predominately northern sympathizers; as the culture and traditions reflected those of the central and northern great plains..who were definitely not sympathetic to the 'lost cause'.

All of this is actually immaterial. As the fact remains that Texas can just as easily be left out of the 'old south' concept entirely as easily as parts of it might be included.

Historically and geographically. Economically and Culturally. Given the context of the era of the ACW. Any other perception of it is   incorrect. And the scholars, such as Fherenbach, have already demonstrated that to the satisfaction of all concerned.


Except the deliberate revisionist...or woefully misinformed.