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    Posted: 15-Jun-2015 at 17:22

Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

Turks from Türkiye have 100% the same Ethnic Origin and the same Genetic Structure as the Ancient and Modern Central Asian Turks.


The West Eurasian Y-Chromosome Haplogroups, whom are equal to the genetic structure of the core/root tribes of the ancient Sakha's, Huns and Turks, and whom are present in the Turks o f Türkiye are:

E, G, I, J, L, R, T

Now, for each haplogroup, i will proof with very solid data, evidence and academic sources, in which Central Asian Turk tribes the origin of these Proto Turk West Eurasian Y-Chromosome Haplogroups are located, using the data at http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199 and http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288, with the titles named "Turk Nation: Anthropology-Archaeology-Genetic-Haplogroups", "Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks" and "Turks from Türkiye have 100% the same Ethnic Origin and the same Genetic Structure as the Ancient and Modern Central Asian Turks".

Haplogroup E:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-Among the Bulgar Turks, E1b1b1a1 and E1b1b1b2a is found with 41,4%(48/116) frequency.

-Among the Karai Turks, E1b1b1 and E1b1b1a1b2 is found with 19,1%(4/21).

-Among the Chuvash Turks, E1b1b1 is found with 13,6%(6/44).

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288


Haplogroup G:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-Among the Karkaralinsky Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 52,8%(94/178),

-Among the Amangeldinsky Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 25,5%(36/141),

-Among the Akzharsky Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 55,6%(50/90),

-Among the Magzhan Zhumabaev Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 25,5%(30/87),

-Among the Bashkir Turks, G1 is found with 12,0%(15/125),

-Among the Madjar tribe of the Kazakh Turks, Y-DNA haplogroup G1a is found with 86,7%.

-Among the Argin tribe of the Kazakh Turks, Y-DNA haplogroup G1a is found with 65,0%.

-Among the Kazakh Turks in the South-West region of the Altai Republic, Y-DNA haplogroup G2a is found with 6,7% and G1 is found with 10,0%.

-Among the Karachay Turks, the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup G2a is 31,9%(22/69).

-Among the Balkar Turks, the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup G2a is 32,6%(44/135).

-Among the Kumik Turks, the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup G2a is 13,7%(10/73).

-Among the Kuban Nogay Turks, the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup G2a is 13,8%(12/87).

-Among the Terek Cossack Turks, the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup G is 54%(46/86).

-Among the Karai Turks, G2a and G2a3b1 is found with 19,1%(4/21).

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288


Haplogroup I:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-Among the Bosniac Turks, Haplogroup I is found with high frequencies like 53,65% and 70,8%.

-Among the Tatar Turks had 40,0%(2/5) and 33,3%(11/33) of Haplogroup I is found. The subgroups that were found are I1 and I2a1.

-Among the Kazan Tatar Turks Haplogroup I is found with 13,2%(7/53).

-Among the Tuzmazinsky Tatar Turks Haplogroup I is found with 12,0%(6/50).

-Among the Gagauz Turks Haplogroup I1+I2a is found with 31,3%(15/48).

-Among the Proto Turks of the Yamnaya Culture, I2a is found in Russia during the Bronze Age.

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288


Haplogroup J:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-Among the Avar Turks, Haplogrup J is found with 72%(30/42), 90%(13/15) and 94,0%(17/18) frequencies. The subgroups belong to J1, J2 and J2b.

-Among the Uygur Turks Haplogrup J2 is found with 34%,

Among the Uzbek Turks in the Balkh region of Afghanisthan, Haplogroup J2 is found with a percentage of 60,0%(3/5).

-Among the Uzbek Turks Haplogrup J and J2 is found with 34,8%.

-Among the Azerbaijan Turks in Azerbaijan, Haplogroup J is found with a percentage of 57,9%(11/19).

-Among the Kumik Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 42,5%(31/73).

-Among the Kuban Nogay Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 37,9%(33/87).

-Among the Balkar Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 19,3%(26/135).

-Among the Karachay Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 18,9%(13/69).

-Among a group of Kazakh Turks, the Y-DNA Haplogroup J is found with a frequency of 18%.

-The descendants of the founder of the Qajar royal family, the grandsons of Mohammad Khan Qajar and Fath-Ali Shah Qajar were tested for Y-DNA, their haplogroup was J1.

-Among the Karai Turks, J1 and J2 is found with 47,6%(10/21).

-Among the Chuvash Turks J is found with 15,9%(7/44).

-Among the Kazan Tatar Turks Haplogroup J is found with 15,1%(8/53).

-Among the Tuzmazinsky Tatar Turks Haplogroup J is found with 10,0%(5/50).

-Between the years 800 BCE - 100 AD, among the Sakha Turks from the Altai Republic region, the Y-DNA haplogroup J2a is found.

-Among the Proto Turks, in Hungary, during the years between 1270 - 1100 BCE, J2a is found.

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288


Haplogroup L:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-In Türkiye, among the Avshar Turks(Oghuz Tribe), Haplogrup L is found with a frequency of 56,7%.

-Among the Kyrgyz Turks of Xinjiang, Haplogroup L is found with a frequency of 25,0%.

-Among the Uygur Turks of Xinjiang, Haplogroup L is found with a frequency of 12,5%.

-Among the Avar Turks of Daghestan, Haplogrup L is found with a frequency of 9,52%.

-At the Middle Age Turks, for example in China, Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar and his grandson Zheng He(Haji Mahmud Shams) belonged to Y-DNA Haplogroup L1a during the years between 1400 - 1500 AD.

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288


Haplogroup R:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-At the Altai Republic, among the Altai Turks, Haplogroup R is found with a frequency of 44,1%. The subgroup R1a1 is found with 40,7%.

-In Turkmenistan, among the Turkmen Turks, Haplogroup R1a is found with a frequency of 72,6%.

-In Bashkortostan, among the Bashkir Turk tribes, the highest frequency of Haplogrup R1b1a is 86,0%.

-Among a group of Bashkir Turks Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b3 is found with 82%, other Kyrgyz and Altaic Turk groups have R1b3 with higher than %50.

-Among the Proto Turks of the Yamnaya Culture, R1b is found in Russia during the Bronze Age.

-Among the Proto Turks, for example in the Samara region of Russia, during the years between 5650  5555 BCE, R1b1a is found.

-Among the Sakha Turks, for example in the Sebÿstei region of the Altai Republic, at the year 500 BCE, R1a1a is found.

-Among the Hun Turks, for example in the Duurlig Nars region of North-East Mongolia, during the years between 300 BCE - 100 AD, R1a1 is found.

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288


Haplogroup T:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199



-In the Altai Republic, among the Kazakh Turks, Haplogroup K*(xL, N, O, P) is found with a frequency of 38,8%.

-Among the Kazakh Turks from China, Haplogroup K*(xN,O,P) is found with a frequency of 2.4%(1/41).
-Among the Kazakh Turks from Kazakhstan, Haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 1.1%(1/95).

-Among the Chuvash Turks, haplogroup K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) is found with a frequency of 17.7%(3/17).

-Among the Tuva Turks from China, haplogroup K*(xN1c1, O*, P*) is found with a frequency of 59.0%(30/51), 52.0%(27/51) and 15.0%(7/48).
-Among the Tuva Turks, haplogroup K*(xN1*, O*, P*) is found with a frequency of 8.9%(10/113) and 13.9%(5/36).
-Among the Tuva Turks, haplogroup K*(xL,N,O,P) is found with a frequency of 9.8%(10/102).

-Among the Yugur Turks, haplogroup K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) is found with a frequency of 48.2%(27/56).
-Among the Yugur Turks from China, haplogroup K*(xN,O,P) is found with a frequency of 6.3%(2/32).

-Among the Gagauz Turks, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 6.3%(3/48).

-Among the Avar Turks, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 4.8%(2/42).

-Among the Uzbek Turks from China, haplogroup K*(xN,O,P) is found with a frequency of 26.1%(6/23).
-Among the Uzbek Turks from Afghanistan, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 3.6%(1/28).

-Among the Azerbaijan Turks from Iran, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 7,9%(5/63).
-Among the Azerbaijan Turks, haplogroup K*(xL,N,O1,O3c,P) is found with a frequency of 10,3%(3/29).

-Among the Uygur Turks, haplogroup K*(xN,O,P) is found with a frequency of 18.0%(9/50) and 12.8%(5/39).
-Among the Uygur Turks, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 2.1%(1/48).

-Among the Quechua tribe of the Natives of Peru, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 27,3%(3/11). Among the Quechua tribe of the Natives of Bolivia, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 1,8%(1/55).

-Among the Xibo tribe whom speak an Altaic language, haplogroup T is found with a frequency of 12,5%(1/8).
-Among the Xibo tribe whom speak an Altaic language, haplogroup K*(xN,O,P) is found with a frequency of 9.4%(3/32) and 4.9%(2/41).

For detailed information about Haplogroup T you can visit our page at: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=12277

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288



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Your theory has a point but it is far from to proof that Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

Sorry, not to be blind as much as a romantic nationalist.

The point which makes sense is,

for example 

approximately, we can match Haplogroup G with Georgeans (they have one of the highest percent in their society.) 

not all Haplogroup G in Turkey are not coming from converted and Turkificated Georgeans. There are some Turkish tribes have also this haplogroup

But your sources are too weak to proof that origin of haplogroups in Turkey is Central Asia

again an example

Hakan Şükür was one the famous football player in Turkey. 

We suppose that his haplogroup is I. He also declared that he has albanian ancester, nobody has any idea of his ancester before. Every body thought that he was an ordinary Turk

so should I believe that his haplogroup is coming from Kazan Tatars Turks (as you said) or from his albanian ancester? 

First people in Central Asia were Europoid, but you are ignoring current Mongoloid effects in Central Asians  and saying that 

You are accepting that  Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

Modern Central Asian Turks??? 







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Originally posted by Aeoli

Your theory has a point but it is far from to proof that Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

Sorry, not to be blind as much as a romantic nationalist.

The point which makes sense is,

for example 

approximately, we can match Haplogroup G with Georgeans (they have one of the highest percent in their society.) 

not all Haplogroup G in Turkey are not coming from converted and Turkificated Georgeans. There are some Turkish tribes have also this haplogroup

But your sources are too weak to proof that origin of haplogroups in Turkey is Central Asia

again an example

Hakan Şükür was one the famous football player in Turkey. 

We suppose that his haplogroup is I. He also declared that he has albanian ancester, nobody has any idea of his ancester before. Every body thought that he was an ordinary Turk

so should I believe that his haplogroup is coming from Kazan Tatars Turks (as you said) or from his albanian ancester? 

First people in Central Asia were Europoid, but you are ignoring current Mongoloid effects in Central Asians  and saying that 

You are accepting that  Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

Modern Central Asian Turks???


Kazakh Turks have 86,7% of Haplogroup G. How do the Kazakh Turks originate out of the Georgians?

And the mutations that define the Y-DNA haplogroups arose tens of thousands of years ago. How old is the Albanian, Georgian languages and how old is the Turk language? What is the origin of the oldest human language, the language of the Sumerians? In the past 20 years, extraordinary researchers like Kazım Mirşan and Servet Somuncuoğlu, performed studies which presented the results that the Proto Turks were the ancestors of all Eurasian populations.

Archaeological findings, like the Tamga's, which define the ancient ethnic origin of middle age Turk tribes, are found in the graves and other archaeological findings of many people/graves from Eurasian regions(from Europe to Central Asia) dating to thousands of years ago. For example, the famous skeletal remains of "Ötzi" from Italy of 3300 BCE had tattoos which were equal to these Middle Age Turk Tamga's from West Eurasian regions(from Central Asia to Europe).

These books of Servet Somuncuoğlu contain very important data and proof about the Proto Turks:

-Saymalıtaş - Gökyüzü Atları: http://www.dr.com.tr/Kitap/Saymalitas-Gokyuzu-Atlari/Servet-Somuncuoglu/Prestij-Kitaplari/Tarih-Prestij/urunno=0000000364091

-Damgaların Göçü Kurgan: http://www.dr.com.tr/Kitap/Damgalarin-Gocu-Kurgan/Servet-Somuncuoglu/Prestij-Kitaplari/Tarih-Prestij/urunno=0000000423211

-Taştaki Türkler: http://www.dr.com.tr/kitap/tastaki-turkler/servet-somuncuoglu/prestij-kitaplari/tarih-prestij/urunno=0000000364092

For example, look at the Tamga's(Stamps) of the early 24 Oghuz tribes and the Kazakh tribes:

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12289






Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12289


They are all descendants of the Neolithic Sumerian Writings. For more information look at the following link:http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12289.

Sumerians spoke a Proto Turk language, and their people where the same Proto Turk people whom made migrations in West Eurasian regions(from Europe to Central Asia) dating at least beginning from 13.000 BCE until the Sumerian Period. Read http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12269 for more information. Everywhere these Proto Turks went, they left traces of the same Middle Age Turk Tamgas.

To conclude, these Proto Turks are the ancestors of all West Eurasian populations, and partially ancestors of East Eurasian groups.

First people of Central Asia, date back to Neolithic / Bronz Age and earlier. What you dont understand, is that these Proto Turks were the same as the West Eurasian(Europoid is not a logical description) originated Sakha, Huns and Turks until the 5th-9th centuries AD. After the 5th century AD, these people performed major migrations to the Western regions of Eurasia. So, at the time of the Mongol Empire, the East Eurasian originated Turks(not equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) merged together with the West Eurasian originated Turks(equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) in Central Asia. Thats why the frequencies of parts of modern Central Asia became 50%-50% West-East Eurasian origin.

But, the most important fact, what if the Proto Turks of 5000 BCE in Europe were people with West Eurasian and East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups? That would mean that the Proto Turks are equal to people of West and East Eurasian origin. It does not matter if the core of the Proto Turks was of West Eurasian origin, the East Eurasian groups were also Turks.

In ancient Germany, Spain and Hungary, 5000 BCE,  West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups like G2a, R1b and T1a were found together with East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups like C1 and C6, among the Proto Turks of the same ancient Europe region cultures.

Also, the term "Mongol" can not refer to a nation or an anthropological type, it is not logical, why? Because, the Mongols were a confederation of Turk tribes that occured in the time of Genghis Khan. Earlier than that, you cannot see the term "Mongol" used as referring to an ancient nation or population. Therefore the term "East Eurasian" which also includes the Sino-Tibetian people is more properly and logically.

To give an example, The Y-DNA haplogroups N, O and Q were found among the skeletal remains of the oldest ancient Han Chinese graves. I hope you understand what this example stands for.

The East Eurasian originated minority of the Proto Turks were people whom lived in the regions/countires located to the East of Mongolia. The majority of the Proto Turks whom were the core/root of the Proto Turks, lived in the West Eurasian regions/countries located at the West of Mongolia. The genetic mutations occured tens of thousands of years ago, which means that parts of people with West and East Eurasian genetic structure could have lived together for thoudands of years, not knowing the fact of the occuring of genetic mutations.

The majority of the Modern Turks of Türkiye have West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups, but there is also a minority with East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups. Looking at the Modern Turks of all regions of Central Asia i can see that the people with East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups(C, N, O, Q) are in minority. There are dozens of genetic studies performed, we must analyze all of the results together. If you look at the results of only one study, then the picture is not clear. Also, the samples tested are to low, there are 100's of millions of Turks, testing only 3000-4000 samples does not show everything, not to forget the fact that we should only trust the studies done by academic departments. We cannot trust the conclusions made by profit making companies like National Genographics(associated with CIA) because their work is not scientific, and based on the samples send per post(not reliable for grouping the ethnic origins of the participants).

Also, ancient dna results are more important to define the origin of Central Asian Turks.

Altough the fact of the major migrations during the earlier periods in history, the Modern Central Asian Turks with West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups(E, G, J, L, R, T) are in majority. In some regions it may be different, but Central Asia is not only restricted to Kazakhstan.

Also, where to put the modern Chuvash, Bulgar, Gagauz, Bosniacs, Kumans, Azerbaijanis, Karachays, Avars, Crimeans, Karais etc.? Their ancestors clearly also migrated from Central Asia and they all have West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups.

For more information read the topics at http://www.turktoresi.com/viewforum.php?f=229


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Originally posted by Aeoli

Your theories sounds like a Greek who insists that all things were invited by ancient Greeks 
 


Your comment sounds like a CIA troll, with the view of point: "throw dirt enough, and some will stick" and you are most probably the victim of CIA strategies based on the philosophy of Joseph Goebels:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."


The lie in our situation, is that everyone is trying to proof that Turks are not the same as ancient and modern Central Asian Turks. It is just a simple lie, that is used by big intelligence agencies, i dont buy it, but you are free to buy it altough...

To clarrify my point with an example. Why do the general Turk hating people, not keep theirselves busy with the selling of for example the lie that ancient 4th-5th century Caucasian German tribes are not the same as the modern West European German tribes? Why does the general English literature, not seperate the terms German-ic and German-ish to distinguish the ancient and modern Germans? Why do the same people keep on insisting with the "ic" and "ish" additional endings on the word "Turk"?

And most importantly, you do not have the vision to see the real picture behind the curtains. At our site, our goal is to show the real picture behind the curtains. If you want to enlighten yourself, feel free to read our articles at:

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Originally posted by kuzzar

 
Originally posted by Aeoli

Your theories sounds like a Greek who insists that all things were invited by ancient Greeks 

Your comment sounds like a CIA troll, with the view of point: "throw dirt enough, and some will stick" and you are most probably the victim of CIA strategies based on the philosophy of Joseph Goebels:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Clap If you can keep this way of speech, I can talk you forever.

Originally posted by kuzzar

 
The lie in our situation, is that everyone is trying to proof that Turks are not the same as ancient and modern Central Asian Turks. It is just a simple lie, that is used by big intelligence agencies, i dont buy it, but you are free to buy it altough...

Actually, if you check the history of genetic research, Anatolian people seemed as Central Asian and Mongoloid

as this map


After the modern more rational research, it changed

 


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Originally posted by Aeoli


Actually, if you check the history of genetic research, Anatolian people seemed as Central Asian and Mongoloid

as this map

After the modern more rational research, it changed


You provide no sources, no names, no results, no nothing. You wont even provide one study name + results with Y-DNA haplogroup frequencies. Only one short sentence, with no data at all included in it. This shows your writing is insufficient. What is the name of your modern and more rational research? Which Y-DNA haplogroups found among the Türkiye Turks are not of Turk origin? Which frequencies for Türkiye and Central Asia do you provide as proof for your statements? You provide nothing, just an empty sentence, withouth a backed up solid argument...


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Originally posted by kuzzar

 
You provide no sources, no names, no results, no nothing. You wont even provide one study name + results with Y-DNA haplogroup frequencies. Only one short sentence, with no data at all included in it. This shows your writing is insufficient. What is the name of your modern and more rational research? Which Y-DNA haplogroups found among the Türkiye Turks are not of Turk origin? Which frequencies for Türkiye and Central Asia do you provide as proof for your statements? You provide nothing, just an empty sentence, withouth a backed up solid argument...

Sorry for the late respond, I was at Summer vocation.

First of all, in my respond there is no aim to proof origin of Turks in Turkey. The only important point was in past people associate the Turks in Turkey with Central Asian and it was shown by the map.

For the name of the god, please decide something

Originally posted by kuzzar

 
Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

As you said Ancient Central Asians not "=" with modern Central Asian (They are mixed with East Eurasins). This was my first objection. And you are confessing it in the below

Originally posted by kuzzar

 
. So, at the time of the Mongol Empire, the East Eurasian originated Turks(not equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) merged together with the West Eurasian originated Turks(equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) in Central Asia. Thats why the frequencies of parts of modern Central Asia became 50%-50% West-East Eurasian origin. 

and not just Mongol period, increasing East-Eurasians began in Göktürk period so even Gökturks not pure blood children of ancient west eurasian who lived in Central Asia (Sakha, Huns...) 










 
  
    




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Originally posted by Aeoli

First of all, in my respond there is no aim to proof origin of Turks in Turkey. The only important point was in past people associate the Turks in Turkey with Central Asian and it was shown by the map.

For the name of the god, please decide something



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Originally posted by Aeoli

As you said Ancient Central Asians not "=" with modern Central Asian (They are mixed with East Eurasins). This was my first objection.

and not just Mongol period, increasing East-Eurasians began in Göktürk period so even Gökturks not pure blood children of ancient west eurasian who lived in Central Asia (Sakha, Huns...)



Then how should we define the finding of East Eurasian Y-DNA Haplogroup C, found among the ancient skeletal remains of the 5300 - 4950 BCE Linear Band Keramik Culture from Hungary at the Gamba et al 2014 study?



At the following page, you can find information about this associated study named "Genome flux and stasis in a five millenium transect of European prehistory", Ancient DNA in Hungary region.

At the same Neolithic Age Linear Band Keramik Culture(plus the associated Lengyel Culture) and the Neolithic Age Spain Cultures(5200-5000 BCE)(for example La Brana) in Europe(regions from Germany to Hungary), the West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups E, F, G, H, I, J, R, T are found in the majority together with a minority of East Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroup C.

What is interesting in here, is that the ancient Neolithic persons with Y-DNA haplogroup C in European regions, had West Eurasian anthropological skull types. Which means that the majority of the Proto Turks had a West Eurasian origin, with a minority of East Eurasian origin. The same structure was found among the ancient Sakha's, Huns and Turks.

Majority or minority, does not matter, genetic mutations occurred tens of thousands of years ago, so it is the truth that East and West Eurasian originated people lived together for thousands of years ago as Proto Turks.

Ancient DNA in Spain region





As a conclusion, the fact that ancient skeletal remains with Y-DNA Haplogroup C, from Neolithic Age of European regions, had West Eurasian anthropological skull types, and the fact that these people lived together with people from the exact same culture(which means they are of the SAME NATION) with West Eurasian Y-DNA Haplogroup like E, F, G, H, I, J, R, T, shows that the high frequencies of Haplogroup C found among the modern Kazakh Turks is not of foreign origin, and has for example the same origin as the high frequencies of West Eurasian Haplogroup G found among the modern Kazakh Turks.

So, the ancestors of the people that had an East Eurasian anthropological skull type 1000 years ago, could have a West Eurasian anthropological skull type 7000 years ago.

The table associated with the Gök Türks is only restricted to the anthropological skull types of Kazakhstan.

If you would have been good intended you would have read the complete text of the link of article i had shared before at Turk Nation: Anthropology-Archaeology-Genetic-Haplogroups.

Even within several regions of Kazakhstan, during the Gök Türk Period, the Türks with West Eurasian origin were the majority. And it were the female skeletal remains who tended to have more East Eurasian skull types, while the male skeletal remains had mostly West Eurasian skull types.

For example, at a craniometrical/anthropological study about the ancient Kimak/Kimek tribe of the Gök Türks, the %73 of the Kimak skulls had a West Eurasian origin.

Originally posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267

Anthropological and Archaeological Determinations about the Gok Turks

Most of the paleoanthropological material was found from S.Tchernikov excavations in Eastern Kazakhstan. The skulls found by him belong to the Kimak Türks. A modest series of the 6th - 11th centuries AD (Türkic time) is also available from the Northern and Western Kazakhstan. These materials are described by V.V.Ginzburg (1958, 1960, 1963). He encountered different degrees of anthropological composition of the 6th - 11th centuries AD (Türkic time) population. So, the nomadic Türks of Eastern Kazakhstan had a bigger Caucasoid admixture than the nomadic Türks of Northern Kazakhstan.
A significant paleoanthropological material on Türkic tribes is from Pavlodar Irtysh area.

A significant paleoanthropological material on Türkic tribes is from Pavlodar Irtysh area. Here in the 1960 -1961. F.Kh. Arslanov uncovered 37 skeletons from five burials. All of them were in a fair state of preservation. The skulls from the burials near villages Trofimovka, Bobrovka and Pokrovka are dated 7th - 9th centuries AD, and the skeletons from burials at state farm Jdanovka and village. Leontievka are dated 10th-12th centuries AD. All these burials F.Kh. Arslanov (1964, 1968) considered as the monuments belonging to the Kimaks.

Both male, and female groups by the majority of high taxonomic value attributes are at a junction of Caucasoid and Mongoloid racial types. A typological observation of Irtysh skulls also points to intermediate character of morphological features of the buried. Generally, they have inherent Caucasoid features, but with various degrees of admixture of Mongoloid elements (Ismagulov, 1969).

Another craniological series of the 10th - 12th centuries AD from Pavlodar Irtysh area is represented by 26 skulls (15 male, 10 female and one child). This series is mostly from a necropolis located at 3rd branch of Jdanov state farm, and partly from necropolis near village Leontjevka. Averaged sizes of skulls with some measurements are listed in the Appendix (see Table. 4) (not sited here).

The male group have medium longitudinal and large crosswise diameters, hence, have a brachicranial index, relatively low hight of the crania, medium sloped and moderately wide forehead, high and very wide face medium -profiled in a horizontal plane, high value for the nose bridge, strongly protruding nose, medium high and relatively wide eye-sockets.

The average sizes in female skulls mostly coincide with the male skulls (considering gender dimorphism), but in female group the face skeleton is flatter in a horizontal plane and nose less protruding (i.e., female faces are more doll-like and cute, but in Russian anthropological tradition females are found to be more Mongoloid than their brothers).

A series as a whole belongs to a great Caucasoid race, but at the same time the fang indentations are not deep, the face skeleton is relatively high and wide, and moderately flat in a horizontal plane, which indicates a Mongoloid admixture.

This obsevation is also confirmed by a typological analysis. So, it is easy to find representatives of two big races among the skulls: Caucasoid and Mongoloid. Most (16 skulls) belong to Caucasoid race, some from them remind softened Andronov-type skulls. Six skulls are judged to be Mongoloid, but even they are not totally homogeneous. First, among them we discerned brachicranial and mezocranial types. Two female skulls of the mixed type is difficult to attribute in greater detail. A female skull from a burial near village Leontievka also has mixed attributes.

In South Kazakhstan, out of the 22 Gok Turkish Kimak tribe, %73 has the Europoid type, and 27% has the Mongoloid type. In here, people with Europoid and Mongoloid skull types belong many other subtypes. This again shows that several Y-DNA haplogroups could be found. In this example, it shows that the Kimak's could have several Europoid Y-DNA haplogroups.


At a recent study of Allentoft et al 2015, named "Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia", the following results were found:

Between the years 1000 BCE - 889 AD, among the ancient Sakha and/or Hun and/or Gök Türks from the Altai Republic region, the West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups J2 and R1a were found.

Read the following page for more detailed information about this new study: Ancient DNA in Altai Republic region.
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You know what's funny. These Turks always post data or Argin people with 65 - 87% G1 despite having a sample size of only 6 or 7 samples from a random village with few people.

And when you give Argin 30-60 samples.  

Haplogroup G1 in Argin is only 18.33 - 20%




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Aug-2015 at 08:19
Originally posted by Aeoli

Originally posted by kuzzar

 
You provide no sources, no names, no results, no nothing. You wont even provide one study name + results with Y-DNA haplogroup frequencies. Only one short sentence, with no data at all included in it. This shows your writing is insufficient. What is the name of your modern and more rational research? Which Y-DNA haplogroups found among the Türkiye Turks are not of Turk origin? Which frequencies for Türkiye and Central Asia do you provide as proof for your statements? You provide nothing, just an empty sentence, withouth a backed up solid argument...

Sorry for the late respond, I was at Summer vocation.

First of all, in my respond there is no aim to proof origin of Turks in Turkey. The only important point was in past people associate the Turks in Turkey with Central Asian and it was shown by the map.

For the name of the god, please decide something

Originally posted by kuzzar

 
Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

As you said Ancient Central Asians not "=" with modern Central Asian (They are mixed with East Eurasins). This was my first objection. And you are confessing it in the below

Originally posted by kuzzar

 
. So, at the time of the Mongol Empire, the East Eurasian originated Turks(not equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) merged together with the West Eurasian originated Turks(equal to the root of the Sakha, Huns and Turks) in Central Asia. Thats why the frequencies of parts of modern Central Asia became 50%-50% West-East Eurasian origin. 

and not just Mongol period, increasing East-Eurasians began in Göktürk period so even Gökturks not pure blood children of ancient west eurasian who lived in Central Asia (Sakha, Huns...) 










 
  
    










LOL FAKE GRAPH


The original data is from here is about the ancient anthropology of Kazakhstan.  The source from the graph never mentions those proto-European were proto-Turks yet this person deliberately added fake data.


It seems turks do not only claim Ancient Egyptian and the nomadic berber tribes of North Africa as Turks but even claim  the original people of Kazakh who were Iranic speaking Indo-European people. Andronovo people.




The 100% ProtoEuropoid are the Scythian, Iranic who were Indo-European as mentioined from the source  not TurkicHere is the link:  It's about the physical anthropology Kazakhstan and how they changed from 100% Caucasian indo-European to 70% Mongoloid Turkic.



http://www.scientificfund.kz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:physical-anthropology-of-kazakh-people-and-their-genesis


Kazakhs today are 70% Mongoloid and 30% Caucasian. People of Kazakhstan were Caucasian and spoke Iranic language until the invasion of Huns and Mongols.






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You seem to claim every Y-DNA haplogroup as Turks.

Didn't you know since history Turks would turkified all their conquered inhabitants? this is why regions like central Asia, West Siberia, Caucasus who were historically of  Iranian, Finno-Ugric, Caucasus ethnicites have people who have haplogroup native to the region. And the reason why haplogroup of Turks from Central Asia, Middle east, Turkey, west Siberia, Caucasus are all different from eachother.


I don't know where this source comes from but it seems more legit than fake data where it added proto-Turks as proto-Europoid

As you can see all Turks have large percentages of mtDNA and Y-DNA of Mongoloid, Caucasian and even south Asian origin to a extend. So we can all conclude there is so thing as pure West or East Eurasian haplogroup DNA.



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Originally posted by MrButlerKing


You know what's funny. These Turks always post data or Argin people with 65 - 87% G1 despite having a sample size of only 6 or 7 samples from a random village with few people.
And when you give Argin 30-60 samples.  
Haplogroup G1 in Argin is only 18.33 - 20%


You know you are lying and spreading false information, dont you? Of course you do.

Look at the following page for the detailed analysis of the following picture http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199:

Kazak Haplogroup G

As you can see in the picture, the sample size in the "A Y-Chromosomal Comparison of the Madjars (Kazakhstan) and the Magyars (Hungary)" academic study is 45. If you do not have the proper IQ to read the values under the column with the letter of "n", i promise you i will help you to find out how to read these values.

As you can see, 39 of the tested 45 Kazakh Turks, belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup G1, this is 86,7%.

Also, Haplogroup G results are not only restricted to the Kazakh tribe of Turks. As you can read from the data at the following page http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288:

Bashkir Turks, Karachay Turks, Balkar Turks, Kumik Turks, Kuban Nogay Turks, Terek Cossack Turks, Karai Turks, ALL HAVE HIGH FREQUENCIES FOR Y-DNA HAPLOGROUP G.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2015 at 04:39
Originally posted by MrButlerKing



The original data is from here is about the ancient anthropology of Kazakhstan.  The source from the graph never mentions those proto-European were proto-Turks yet this person deliberately added fake data.



It is not a fake data. It is an analysis of the table published by Orazak Ismagulov at his study named "Physical Anthropology of Kazakh People and their Genesis. Read the full article of the study paper and you will see that the comments(a couple of words) in red colour are correct.

The Iron Age is equal to the Sycthians / Sakha's. Historical documents proof that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the Huns and the later Turks. Orazak Ismagulov is also saying that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the modern Kazakh Turks. So, empty the filth in your hearth, and use your logics, If it is historically proven that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the Huns/Turks, then are the ancestors of the Sycthians / Sakha's not the "Proto Turks", YES THEY ARE.

Originally posted by MrButlerKing


The 100% ProtoEuropoid are the Scythian, Iranic who were Indo-European as mentioined from the source  not TurkicHere is the link:  It's about the physical anthropology Kazakhstan and how they changed from 100% Caucasian indo-European to 70% Mongoloid Turkic.

http://www.scientificfund.kz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:physical-anthropology-of-kazakh-people-and-their-genesis

Kazakhs today are 70% Mongoloid and 30% Caucasian. People of Kazakhstan were Caucasian and spoke Iranic language until the invasion of Huns and Mongols.


Nowhere in the article at http://www.scientificfund.kz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:physical-anthropology-of-kazakh-people-and-their-genesis is mentioned that the people of Kazakhstan were speaking the Iranian language, you are making this up, you are being pathetic and simple to deceipher.

Orazak Ismagulov is talking about the LABELS of the 3 MAIN ANTHROPOLOGICAL TYPES:

-Caucasoid
-Mongoloid
-African

Like mentioned at the analysis at the following link: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15193, the correct definition of these labels, which are only words being used, are not equal to modern populations are:

-West Eurasian
-East Eurasian
-African

So, i am asking you the Huns and the Han Chinese are different people of different nations/races, right? Historical documents proof this obviously fact, right? Then, is it not stupid to call the skull type of the Han Chinese Mongoloid? If the Han Chinese and Huns are from different races/nations from each other, then is it not stupid to call the Huns Caucasoid? Yes it is.

The fact is that the majority/core of the Huns and the Scythians had West Eurasian anthropological skull types, with a minority of East Eurasian anthropological skull types. It is a historical fact that the Huns and the Scythians spoke the Turk Language. Then, the ancestors of the West Eurasian Huns and the Scythians were the Proto Turks.

Example showing the fact that the core of the Huns and the Scythians/Sakha's are the same:

Acatziri: Hunnic Tribe
Agathyrsi: Scythian Tribe

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Originally posted by MrButlerKing


LOL FAKE GRAPH


The original data is from here is about the ancient anthropology of Kazakhstan.  The source from the graph never mentions those proto-European were proto-Turks yet this person deliberately added fake data.


It seems turks do not only claim Ancient Egyptian and the nomadic berber tribes of North Africa as Turks but even claim  the original people of Kazakh who were Iranic speaking Indo-European people. Andronovo people.

Please read before try to answer. I used that graph to show kuzzer that mental irony by using his source. There is no need to be smart to understand that it is not an orginal graph

There is no such a thing like that

"The Iron Age is equal to the Sycthians / Sakha's. Historical documents proof that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the Huns and the later Turks. Orazak Ismagulov is also saying that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the modern Kazakh Turks

Originally posted by kuzzar


The Iron Age is equal to the Sycthians / Sakha's. Historical documents proof that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the Huns and the later Turks. Orazak Ismagulov is also saying that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the modern Kazakh Turks. So, empty the filth in your hearth, and use your logics, If it is historically proven that the Sycthians / Sakha's are the ancestors of the Huns/Turks, then are the ancestors of the Sycthians / Sakha's not the "Proto Turks", YES THEY ARE.

The fact is that the majority/core of the Huns and the Scythians had West Eurasian anthropological skull types, with a minority of East Eurasian anthropological skull types. It is a historical fact that the Huns and the Scythians spoke the Turk Language. Then, the ancestors of the West Eurasian Huns and the Scythians were the Proto Turks.

Yes " majority/core of the Huns and the Scythians had West Eurasian anthropological skull types "  

but current Kazakhs are not West Eurasian 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2015 at 05:40
Originally posted by MrButlerKing

You seem to claim every Y-DNA haplogroup as Turks.

Didn't you know since history Turks would turkified all their conquered inhabitants? this is why regions like central Asia, West Siberia, Caucasus who were historically of  Iranian, Finno-Ugric, Caucasus ethnicites have people who have haplogroup native to the region. And the reason why haplogroup of Turks from Central Asia, Middle east, Turkey, west Siberia, Caucasus are all different from eachother.


I don't know where this source comes from but it seems more legit than fake data where it added proto-Turks as proto-Europoid

As you can see all Turks have large percentages of mtDNA and Y-DNA of Mongoloid, Caucasian and even south Asian origin to a extend. So we can all conclude there is so thing as pure West or East Eurasian haplogroup DNA.



1. The Haplogroups found among the Central Asian, Middle Eastern, Caucasian, Balkan and Siberian Turks are the same.

2. Among ALL MODERN NATIONS, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE NATION WHICH HAS ONLY ONE HAPLOGROUP.

Want to give an example of the Germanic modern nation:

-Napoleon is of Germanic ethnic origin, and belongs to Y-DNA E1b.
-Louis XVI is of Germanic ethnic origin, and belongs to Y-DNA G2a.
-15th century AD Martin Luther is of Germanic ethnic origin, and belongs to Y-DNA I2a.
-The House of Wettin is of Germanic ethnic origin, and belongs to Y-DNA R1b.

So, the presence of multiple haplogroups is present among all modern nations.

3. Among ALL ACNIENT POPULATIONS, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE POPULATION WHICH HAS ONLY ONE HAPLOGROUP.

4. Genetic Mutations did start/happen/occur TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. The History of the Majority of the Modern Nations do not go further than 3000-4000 Years ago. The Only Exception is the Modern Turk Nation, their history goes back to at least the Sumerians, whom are Proto Turks whom spoke the Proto Turk Language, which dates to approximately 7000 Years Ago (5000 BCE).

5. Comparing the Genetic Mutations which occurred tens of thousands of years DIRECTLY WITH Modern Populations can only be done by people with bad intentions, or by people with low IQ.

Simple example to help you understand:

Haplogroups R and T both occured out of the root K*-M9 mutation.

-Lets say that 20.000 years ago, there were 1000 people of the same nation and culture whom belonged to Y-Haplogroup K-M9.

-After this, a couple of thousands of years later, the mutations of the Haplogroups R and T are occurred out of the M9 mutation.

-Two persons of the same nation and culture whom had earlier K-M9 genes, now belong to the new mutations of haplogroups R and T. The two persons do not know anything about the occurence of the new genetic mutations, because the scientific branch of genetics was not discovered yet. The families of the two persons still live together as people of the SAME NATION, and continue to live like this until modern AD times.

-So if we now find the results of haplogroups R and T among the people of the same modern nation, are these people of different races? No, they are not!

There are 3 main anthropological types that define the human races. Each of these anthropological types are equal to multiple Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups. And the Proto Turks were people with Skull Types of a majority of West Eurasian types, and a minority of East Eurasian types.

Read the detailed data about the occurrence of West Eurasian haplogroups among all modern Eurasian Turk tribes http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288.


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Originally posted by Aeoli


Yes " majority/core of the Huns and the Scythians had West Eurasian anthropological skull types

but current Kazakhs are not West Eurasian 



Then were do you put the high frequencies(see below) of Y-DNA haplogroup G, J, R, T among specific groups of Kazakh Turks? Are they not Kazakhs? I mean, just until the genetic/anthropological study of Andras Biro Zsolt, no one knew about the dominating Haplogroup G frequencies among the Kazakhs.

Source 1: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199

Source 2: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288&p=15430#p15430

-Among the Karkaralinsky Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 52,8%(94/178),

-Among the Amangeldinsky Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 25,5%(36/141),

-Among the Akzharsky Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 55,6%(50/90),

-Among the Magzhan Zhumabaev Kazakh Turks, G1 is found with 25,5%(30/87),

-Among the Madjar tribe of the Kazakh Turks, Y-DNA haplogroup G1a is found with 86,7%.

-Among the Argin tribe of the Kazakh Turks, Y-DNA haplogroup G1a is found with 65,0%.

-Among the Kazakh Turks in the South-West region of the Altai Republic, Y-DNA haplogroup G2a is found with 6,7% and G1 is found with 10,0%

-Among a group of Kazakh Turks, the Y-DNA Haplogroup J is found with a frequency of 18%.

-In the Altai Republic, among the Kazakh Turks, Haplogroup K*(xL, N, O, P) is found with a frequency of 38,8%(19/49).











What if new studies on different Kazakh populations, will be made by neutral and reliable academic groups, where they will find many other dominating high frequencies of other West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups? All the results i have presented in here, show that the Kazakh Turks have equally West and East Eurasian Y-DNA genetic structure.

The same genetic structure is also present in the Türkiye Turks. There is yet not enough and reliable studies performed. During each genetic study, the historical background of each participant should be determined first. Majority of studies until now, do not take these important steps.

To give an example, at the Gökçümen et. al. 2011 study named "Biological Ancestries, Kinship Connections, and Projected Identities in Four Central Anatolian Settlements: Insights from Culturally Contextualized Genetic Anthropology", among a group of Afshar Turks, 13,3%(4/30) of East Eurasian Haplogroup Q was found. What if future studies find higher frequencies of other East Eurasian Haplogroups among the Türkiye Turks?

As a conclusion, the genetic structure of the Central Asian Turks is 100% the same as the genetic structure as the structure of the Turks of Türkiye, Azerbaijan, Iran, Balkans, Caucasus, Upper Crimean(Chuvashes, Bashkirs, etc...) regions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Sep-2015 at 12:20
Originally posted by kuzzar





As you see, majority of C + O which are not related with West Eurasian.  Of course I can have genetic material from the first Central Asia but majority is not
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2015 at 07:19
Originally posted by Aeoli

 
As you see, majority of C + O which are not related with West Eurasian.  Of course I can have genetic material from the first Central Asia but majority is not


And as you can see, i presented you 5 projects done by different academic groups. Why are you being blind for the other studies where obviously clear high West Eurasian frequencies are presented?

According to sources the Kazakh Turk population number in the world is approximately 20 million. There are dozens of Kazakh Turk tribes. Each Kazakh tribe has tens of thousands of families with many sub tribes.

Look at the following image to see a list of Kazakh Turk tribes together with their unique Tamga's/Damga's.



What if a new project will be performed by honoust, reliable and honourable academicians like Andras Biro Zsolt, and for example what if these future studies will find dominating high frequencies of West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups J1, J2, R1a, R1b, T1a among many of the Kazakh sub tribes?

What if for example a group of 100 Botbay Kazakh Turks will have a dominating frequency result of Y-haplogroup J2?
What if for example a group of 100 Altyn Kazakh Turks will have a dominating frequency result of Y-haplogroup R1a?
What if for example a group of 100 Kyzylkurt Kazakh Turks will have a dominating frequency result of Y-haplogroup T1a?
What if for example a group of 100 Karasakal Kazakh Turks will have a dominating frequency result of Y-haplogroup G1?
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