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    Posted: 07-Jun-2015 at 21:22
"Clothes make the man" refers to the fact that when people see a person look well-dressed, they assumed that person is a professional, capable, and (in the old days) rich.      
Therefore, a man had to dress like how he wanted to be perceived.       
Do clothes really make the man? Or does the man make the clothes?    
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Depends on the contextual era. And to a greater or lesser degree the status one enjoyed at any one given time in a society. Whether it was considered more important to demonstrate one's power or wealth or influence through dress...or accomplishment/s.

Sometimes both were necessary as a result of societal/clan/tribal class development; influence and position...a necessity if you will; whether one was to be believed or appreciated or..even heard.

Me? Personally? It's accomplishment. But even I wouldn't dress like a field Cav Scout if I was ordered to appear before the President...assuming of course he didn't come visit me in the field with the troops.

Because there...that's the dress appropriate for my mission.

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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2015 at 20:34
One of the most noted figure's in men's clothing is Beau Brummel.       
George Bryan Brummel (1778-1840). better known as Beau Brummel, was a dashing young man of Regency England.    
After Prince George (the future King George IV) became Prince Regent, he became friends with Beau Brummel.      
Brummel popularized trousers. He also established the mode for dark coats and an elaborately knotted cravat.
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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2015 at 20:24
www.gentlemansgazette.com mentioned:       
The Duke of Windsor (Edward VIII) was the namesake for the famous Windsor knot.     
When he was the Prince of Wales, the Duke was chastised by his father for wearing brown shoes with a navy suit. Others started to emulate him and the look took off. He also abolished the frock coat and introduced the morning coat.
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  Quote J.A.W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jun-2015 at 23:55
& Hugo Boss designed the dashingly rakish Nazi era uniforms..

Hitler, who fancied himself as an artiste, liked to review, & sign off as approved, with changes- as he saw fit - on all kinds of things like that.. yet he personally dressed modestly, unlike Goering..
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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2015 at 20:33
Here is picture of Edward, The Prince of Wales wearing a top hat.   http://cardcow.com/387011/winning-sm...-prince-Edward...    

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Edited by Sidney - 20-Jun-2015 at 03:38
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  Quote J.A.W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2015 at 04:09
Cor blimey - young Davey don't 'alf look like Lord bleedin' Snot 'isself..
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Throughout history, at times, clothes literally made the man, or indeed broke them if they transgressed sumptuary laws.
What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
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  Quote J.A.W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2015 at 23:16
Yeah, & esp' if they offered protection against weaponry..

Even wearing purple dyed items was reserved by the Poohbahs - on pain of severe punishment for any transgression..
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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2015 at 20:36
Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens, the writer) had fourteen white lounge suits made so he could wear a clean one every day.
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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jun-2015 at 22:16
Pictures of King Louis XIV of France often show him in high heels with big hair.    
Louis XIV was five feet, four inches tall. Wearing heels and a wig made Louis look taller.
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2015 at 05:51
Originally posted by LeopoldPhilippe

Pictures of King Louis XIV of France often show him in high heels with big hair.    
Louis XIV was five feet, four inches tall. Wearing heels and a wig made Louis look taller.


Somtimes even the kings need some "make up" to look serious. On the other hand, when you are looking for a good lawyer, which one of those two will you choose? (both are lawyers)





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  Quote J.A.W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2015 at 22:53
I can't understand why HRH Prince William, allowed himself to go bald..
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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2015 at 20:03
In the 17th and 18th centuries, a jabot consisted of cambric or lace edging sewn to both sides of the front opening of a man's shirt, partially visible through a vest worn over it. This style arose around 1650.     
Jabots made of lace and hanging loose from the neck were an essential component of upper class, male fashion in the baroque period.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2015 at 21:03
I used the mid levels 1960-70's version of the Vietnam era LBE followed by variants of the precursor MOLLE. To include the ALICE.

Stand green/OD/Arctic and desert patterns made predominantly from heavy canvas eventually giving way to the PALS system and much lighter and weather resistant materials-fasteners straps etc..

All good; some better than others. And in general, the most in demand items necessary, to be worn, by any class, of well fashioned soldiers of the era. Ie. late 20th into the 21st ce.
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  Quote J.A.W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2015 at 21:31
Yeah, CV, I recall that transitional period ( as noted in the Clint Eastwood classic USMC-based 'Heartbreak Ridge') where US forces started
looking somewhat like Waffen-SS troopers, & drew comments from the WW2 vets to the effect of - 'We used to shoot guys who looked like that - on sight".

& that of course, was one of the reasons for the rapid withdrawal of
the early US Army camo-patterned uniforms - post D-day..
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  Quote LeopoldPhilippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2015 at 21:12
King Edward VII of Great Britain's taste in clothes was generally conservative.       
He attempted to prevent the demise of the frock coat and to revive the fashion of wearing knee-breeches with evening dress.      
He refused to wear a Panama had and derided those who did.      
Edward continued to wear a silk hat while riding in Rotten Row long after this was considered old-fashioned.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2015 at 08:47
Originally posted by J.A.W.

Yeah, CV, I recall that transitional period ( as noted in the Clint Eastwood classic USMC-based 'Heartbreak Ridge') where US forces started
looking somewhat like Waffen-SS troopers, & drew comments from the WW2 vets to the effect of - 'We used to shoot guys who looked like that - on sight".

& that of course, was one of the reasons for the rapid withdrawal of
the early US Army camo-patterned uniforms - post D-day..


For a space of time only.... as the OD's and Tigers and Hot weather OD's gave way eventually to BDU's... (woodland camo)-(Desert Camo Uniforms- a BDU variant).

To: the ACU; (Army combat Uniform and it's variants in camo patterns to include the Flame Resistant ACU).

Camo is here to stay no matter the earlier identifications.
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2015 at 17:38
I forgot to mention, of all of them; I personally liked the style, lightweight material and comfort of the 'jungle fatigues'. ie Tropical Combat Uniform.

Thou the OG107 ie. OD's had various types based on who produced them and or whether they were customized.

What's usually never mentioned in relation to uniforms. Is the sometimes prohibitive cost that a soldier might incur, beyond a certain rank, when the issue or replacement was not free.

Certainly beyond the rank of E5 Sergeant, when a soldier received a once a year or occasional specific clothing allowance..this could be quite high especially for dress uniforms.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 27-Jun-2015 at 17:42
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