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Homer MakeDonski
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Topic: Phoenitians or Hellens Posted: 22-May-2005 at 17:49 |
Dear Phallanx
I have found that your's conlusions as strange ,when you saing is
about Phoenitians are because if we comporate follow quote from
the link what is talkig about Poenitians migrations at Europe ,where it
does state this:
http://www.laa.org/tours/phoenicians.htm
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'Phoenician' means 'red haired'. The Phoenicians and the Carthaginians
expanded all across North Africa and western Europe. They pushed past
the Straits of Gibraltar and founded the city of Gades (present day
Cadiz) in Spain. While active in Spain, these Phoenician/Carthaginian
descendants are called 'Celtiberians' by archaeologists. Later, some
sailed away from Spain and colonized the British Isles, where they are
simply called 'Celts' by archaeologists. In their migrations throughout
the Mediterranean, these Celts picked up a number of different
languages and alphabets. These languages and writing systems were in
use by different Celtic groups at different times. Memories of some of
these scripts were retained up until the medieval period in Ireland.
The Book of Ballymote, believed to have been composed about 1200 A.D.,
gives an alphabet, described as 'African'. Until recently, scholars
considered that this 'African' script was some sort of cryptic monkish
secret alphabet, or maybe just gibberish, but since 1960 this alphabet
has been shown to be an actual ancient North African one in use about
1000 B.C." [Fell, America B.C.] - Michael Bradley, Holy Grail Across
the Atlantic
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what will say that people on move what had settle down and are Hellens not as you are saying the Phoenitians
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2964&a mp;a mp;PN=2
First of all I suggest you start quoting someone that CAN translate what he reads instead of this twit
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According to the Persians best informed in history
Herodotus, doesn't say that. He clearly uses the words:
"Perseon men nun oi logioi"
that means:
"The Persian wise men"
NO reference to best informed as you think.
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This people ,who had formely dwelt on shores of the erythraean Sea
,having migrated to the Mediterranean ....,avantures,voyages..wares of
Egipt and Assyria ....They landed at many places on the coast ...now
under the commonn name of Hellas .
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This people i.e no named tribes from Erythrerian lans origin
what had got one of it's name's what they claime as their national
name of Hellens as far as they arrived at someone else space
Do you understand what you're reading??????
The "This people........... of Hellas"
has NOTHING to do with the Hellines, Herodotus is repeating what the
Persian wise men told him about the origin of the Phoenicians and NOT
the Hellines.
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and Herodotus is talkink just,what been told by Persians about it what is
about origin of Hellenes ,not the Phoenitians as you are saying .
It could be acceptible only that twist is over the meaning of line
"Perseon men nun oi logioi"
that means:
"The Persian wise men"
not as Presian best informed in history
what does not make any changes to the whole story .
If Origin of the Canaanites is at supposed North Erythrerian Sea coast ,then
Origin of the Hellens yet should be at the South Erythrerian Sea coast .
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Yiannis
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 03:49 |
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
what does not make any changes to the whole story . If Origin of the Canaanites is at supposed North Erythrerian Sea coast ,then Origin of the Hellens yet should be at the South Erythrerian Sea coast .
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Canaanites are Semitic people, Greeks are Indoeuropean and you are a provocateur (at best, at worst you're plain stupid) !
Continue to post just to provoke and you will (very) soon be banned!
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Phallanx
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 04:43 |
Didn't really look at the link you provide but anyone with basic knowledge of history will tell you that this is wrong.
If you really want info on the Phoenicians and their orgin, I suggest you do some search on the Sea People.
Do I really need to post a comment on the Phoenician origin of the Celts this, what is it "tourguide" presents??
I told you then to look up the text of Herodotus but you didn't, that
is the reason you still have the misconception that he is refering to
the Hellines.
Herodotus in his History 1.1 and 1.2 "
"The Persian learned men say that the Phoenicians
were the cause of the dispute. These (they say)
came to our seas from the sea which is called Red,
and having settled in the country which they still
occupy, at once began to make long voyages. Among
other places to which they carried Egyptian and
Assyrian merchandise, they came to Argos,
[2] which was at that time preeminent in
every way among the people of what is now called
Hellas. The Phoenicians came to Argos, and set out
their cargo. "
http://mkatz.web.wesleyan.edu/medea_lecture/herodotus1.htm
I hope this ends your ridiculous little theory.
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Homer MakeDonski
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 06:53 |
Phallanx
What mostly makes me confused from the source I pointed is title
"Who are Hellens ",and indeed I am taking very
seriously all the suggest and explainations you are
giving .
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Phallanx
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 07:16 |
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
Phallanx
What mostly makes me confused from the source I pointed is title
"Who are Hellens ",and indeed I am taking very
seriously all the suggest and explainations you are
giving
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Where can that title be seen?
Going through the site you gave I found nothing close to this title
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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 07:18 |
Make, please stop with this system "copy-paste" It's boring and only proved that you don't have enough knowledge to protect your point of view!!!!
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Homer MakeDonski
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 07:29 |
Title as given by George Rawlinson translation's on galileolibery
thx again
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 07:39 |
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
Title as given by George Rawlinson translation's on galileolibery
thx again
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He has translated Herodotus' Histories, how does and most of all, where does he give any other title to it???
Where do you find this title, give me a link.
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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 07:54 |
"You can't win an argument with an idiot"... how true...
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Homer MakeDonski
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 08:28 |
Originally posted by Phallanx
Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski
Title as given by George Rawlinson translation's on galileolibery
thx again
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He has translated Herodotus' Histories, how does and most of all, where does he give any other title to it???
Where do you find this title, give me a link.
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I have found this title at this link
http://www.galileolibrary.com/ebooks/eu04/herodotus_page _3.htm
What use to be written over there was :
Who are Hellens Herodotus. Book 1, Introduction and Chapter 1. titled KLIO Translated by George Rawlinson,
I did wrote to the web master of the site asking for some more information :
Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:37:21 +0100 (BST) |
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Subject: | Who are the Hellens
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Dear Mike
I hope that I am not disturbing you .
I would like that if you have a bit of available time to check out
the comments what I have got from my opponents side ,when I had posted
a topic about the Helen's origin ,in what I had grounded my view with
the evidence out of the text about the Hellens what I found at your site .
This was their comments......
What for I got no reply at all
That was last year
When I visit his site again few weeks ago , no such a mentions
Over there use to be a message board as well
Even for update it is
Grammar and spelling updated by Michael Presky, 1993.
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 08:35 |
Originally posted by Yiannis
"You can't win an argument with an idiot"... how true... |
straight from the neutral zone location
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 08:41 |
Neutral zone, my ass! I'm choosing side, the side of logic and inteligence.
Your only contribution so far was creating impressions and provoking.
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 16:45 |
Guy from Skopje, you do great job! You are going to be the next Minister Of Foreign Affairs of..."Slavo-Macedonia". Congrats!!!!!! You are so well informed!!!
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Posted: 24-May-2005 at 09:59 |
its bad for peoples with out history..
u have some inferiority complex i think
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