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The Manchus offered their own women to Han Chinese Generals and soldiers to  defect. Top ranking Ming Generals were given Aisin Gioro women and  Nurhaci offered his own granddaughter to the Ming General Li Yongfang.  Hongtaiji arranged for 1,000 Manchu women to be distributed and married  to Han Chinese defectors. In addition to giving defecting Han Manchu  women, the defectors were also rewarded with massive gifts of serfs and  titles. The sons of the Han Generals Sun Sike, Wu Sangui, Geng Jimao,  Shang Kexi, all received Manchu Aisin Gioro women as wives as rewards  for their father's defection.



Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books


Marriage and Inequality in Chinese Society - Google Books


GREAT ENTERPRISE - FREDERIC WAKEMAN JR. - Google Books




Fall of Imperial China - Frederic Wakeman - Google Books


The Imperial Moment - Google Books


The  most advanced weapons technology (gunpowder weapons like firearms and  artillery) in the Qing military were wielded exclusively by Han  Bannermen. Manchu and Mongol Bannermen did not use the  gunpowder weapons, while only Han Bannermen used them in battle. the Han  Bannermen were called ujen cooha (heavy troops) in Manchu because of  their firearms. It was these artillery that battered down the walls of  Ming cities. It was Han defectors who brought gunpowder technology to  the Qing side.


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


https://books.google.com/books?id=NUTE8V-WhwoC&pg=PA232&#v=onepage&q&f=false


https://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false


https://books.google.com/books?id=EtNVMUx9qIIC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false



Han Chinese were the majority of the Eight Banner army of the Qing in the 1640s and numbered 75% while Manchus were only 16%


https://books.google.com/books?id=cpfgQNWXpyoC&pg=PA141#v=onepage&q&f=false


https://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false


It  was Han defectors who fought on the front lines for the entire Qing  conquest while Manchu bannermen were only reserve forces and barely  fought compared to Han bannermen and Green Standard Army.


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


It  was the three miners from Liaodong- the defector Han Bannermen Kang  Youde, Shang Kexi, and Geng Zhongming, who conquered the entire southern  China for the Qing and governed it after the Ming fell. The conquest of  the south was done almost entirely by Han bannermen.


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


The  Shunzhi Emperor issued a decree in 1648 in Beijing, that Han men  were allowed to marry Manchu bannerwomen, in order to keep good  relations between the ethnic groups and avoid tension.


Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books


https://web.archive.org/web/20140111230216/http://www.chss.iup.edu/chr/CHR-2004Fall-11-WANG-research%20notes-final.pdf


It  was Han Bannermen who conquered and governed China for the Qing after  the conquest. Almost all of the Governor Generals and Governors were Han  Bannermen during Shunzhi and Kangxi's reigns.



The Search for Modern China - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books


Ts»ao Yin and the K»ang-hsi Emperor: Bondservant and Master - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books


For  the decades during Shunzhi and Kangxi's early reign, southern China was governed almost independently by the Three  Feudatories. Wu Sangui, Geng Jingzhong, and Shang Zhixin. They ruled the  entire areas autonomously.



Even when they rebelled and had to  be conquered by the Qing, the Qing armies which defeated the Three  Feudatories were Han Chinese Green Standard Army forces, with Manchu  Bannermen being kept in reserve.


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books


Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
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Lots of info..I will peruse it as I can..as Chinese military history is a reading hobby of mine.

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The Manchus raped tens of thousands of Korean women when they invaded Korea and took Korean princesses as concubines.

https://books.google.com/books?id=p3yW5MdzKnUC&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.gachonherald.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=32

https://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA892#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=BRl1sWYShpcC&pg=RA1-PA200#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=IN42AAAAIAAJ&q=dorgon+korean+princess&dq=dorgon+korean+princess&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KaNsVbuZC8KEsAXjy4HoDQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ

While in China they had to give their own princesses and women to Han Chinese defectors to conquer China.
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Kemes was my previous account. I forgot the password to it so I had to sign up for a new one.

I fixed the links in this post. My post by the Kemes account malfunctioned with its links.

The Manchus offered their own women to Han Chinese Generals and soldiers to defect. Top ranking Ming Generals were given Aisin Gioro women and Nurhaci offered his own granddaughter to the Ming General Li Yongfang. Hongtaiji arranged for 1,000 Manchu women to be distributed and married to Han Chinese defectors. In addition to giving defecting Han Manchu women, the defectors were also rewarded with massive gifts of serfs and titles. The sons of the Han Generals Sun Sike, Wu Sangui, Geng Jimao, Shang Kexi, all received Manchu Aisin Gioro women as wives as rewards for their father's defection.     
     
     
     
Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=QXHbhsfaJAYC&pg=PA148
     
     
Marriage and Inequality in Chinese Society - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA179
     
     
GREAT ENTERPRISE - FREDERIC WAKEMAN JR. - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA1017
     
     
     
     
Fall of Imperial China - Frederic Wakeman - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=ORBmFSFcJKoC&pg=PA79
     
     
The Imperial Moment - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=Ai1_5IHQ9vsC&pg=PA95
     
     
The most advanced weapons technology (gunpowder weapons like firearms and artillery) in the Qing military were wielded exclusively by Han Bannermen. Manchu and Mongol Bannermen did not use the gunpowder weapons, while only Han Bannermen used them in battle. the Han Bannermen were called ujen cooha (heavy troops) in Manchu because of their firearms. It was these artillery that battered down the walls of Ming cities. It was Han defectors who brought gunpowder technology to the Qing side.     
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA23
     
     
https://books.google.com/books?id=NUTE8V-WhwoC&pg=PA232&#v=onepage&q&f=false     
     
     
https://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false     
     
     
https://books.google.com/books?id=EtNVMUx9qIIC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false     
     
     
     
Han Chinese were the majority of the Eight Banner army of the Qing in the 1640s and numbered 75% while Manchus were only 16%     
     
     
https://books.google.com/books?id=cpfgQNWXpyoC&pg=PA141
     
     
https://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA175
     
     
It was Han defectors who fought on the front lines for the entire Qing conquest while Manchu bannermen were only reserve forces and barely fought compared to Han bannermen and Green Standard Army.     
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA9
     
     
It was the three miners from Liaodong- the defector Han Bannermen Kang Youde, Shang Kexi, and Geng Zhongming, who conquered the entire southern China for the Qing and governed it after the Ming fell. The conquest of the south was done almost entirely by Han bannermen.     
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA7
     
     
The Shunzhi Emperor issued a decree in 1648 in Beijing, that Han men were allowed to marry Manchu bannerwomen, in order to keep good relations between the ethnic groups and avoid tension.     
     
     
Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=QXHbhsfaJAYC&pg=PA140
     
     
https://web.archive.org/web/20140111...otes-final.pdf     https://web.archive.org/web/20140111230216/http:/www.chss.iup.edu/chr/CHR-2004Fall-11-WANG-research notes-final.pdf
     
     
It was Han Bannermen who conquered and governed China for the Qing after the conquest. Almost all of the Governor Generals and Governors were Han Bannermen during Shunzhi and Kangxi's reigns.     
     
     
     
The Search for Modern China - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=vI1RRslLNSwC&pg=PA41
     
     
Ts»ao Yin and the K»ang-hsi Emperor: Bondservant and Master - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=rXiSxh1oGe0C&pg=PA5
     
     
For the decades during Shunzhi and Kangxi's early reign, southern China was governed almost independently by the Three Feudatories. Wu Sangui, Geng Jingzhong, and Shang Zhixin. They ruled the entire areas autonomously.     
     
     
     
Even when they rebelled and had to be conquered by the Qing, the Qing armies which defeated the Three Feudatories were Han Chinese Green Standard Army forces, with Manchu Bannermen being kept in reserve.     
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA15
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA17
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA23
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA24
     
     
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books     http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA25
     
     


Edited by Sarkir - 02-Jun-2015 at 21:00
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