mtDNA of ancient Etruscans

I never said that any invasion changed the population (at most in a very small percentage of the genetic pool), what I think that invasions can do is to change a language, some customs and specially socio-political organization. As ou say well, sedentary farmers are very difficult to displace or exterminate (not to say plainly impossible)... but invasions are not always insignificant and they do happen. Roman invasions of Western Europe made it to change language to Latin and later Romance, Macedonian invasions of SW Asia placed Greek as oficial language of such advanced civilizations as Egypt and Persia, Anglo-Saxon invasions of Britain changed the linguistic map of the island in favor of a Germanic dialect, Semitic invasions of Mesopotomia slowly but steadily "semitized" the region, Hittite and other invasions in Asia Minor, changed the spoken tongues into Indo-European ones, Spanish invasion of America, with only a small ammount of colonization displaced largely native tongues in favor of Spanish (even if the genetic makeup of the region is basically Amerindian still today), Hungarian invasion of the Pannonias changed the predominant slavic tongue into Hungarian, previously slavic migrations had changed the language map of the Balcans with only a relatively small ammount of "Slavic blood", Turk invasion of Asia Minor, again, changed the linguistic map and now Turk is spoken almost exclussively, even if the ancestors of modern Turks were mostly locals. Not all invasions achieve such cultural changes but is common enough as to consider them seriously.

In any case, the kind of colonization that happened recently in North America, Australia or Argentina, displacing the natives almost totally is very very rare in history... and I never consider it when speaking of ancient times.

So it's never invasion->substitution but rather invasion->subjugation what we are talking about.

I can't give you more evidence than what I know of the apparent invasion of Crete by Myceneans. Still it's seemingly an overwhelmingly accepted fact and I do think that Greek is a IE tongue, so either:
a) IE tongues come originally from the Aegean (what would be questioned by many other facts elsewhere)
b) There was an IE invasion either at the start of the Mycenean age or before
c) Greeks happily abandoned their ancestral tongue and adopted an IE dialect for no reason at all

Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl   That's the etruscans but the romans were different, weren't they.

Yes. Romans were rather influenced by their Etruscan neighbours who gave them most of their civilized skills, specially engineering and architecture (and probably some myths too). Let's not forget that for some time Rome was under an Etruscan monarchy and that Etruscans were to start with more populous and advanced than Latins. The very draining of the forum, without which Rome would have never become a true city, was done by Etruscan engineers.

Latins, unlike Etruscans were IE-speakers who had came first to the Italian peninsula most probably c. 1300 BCE, along with other Illyric and Italic peoples. Obviously they were very much mixed, as the very legend of the kidnapping of the Sabinas seems to corroborate. Latins were a very small population occupying only a fraction of what now is called the Latio but, under Roman leadership they achieved hegemony in Italy and possibly invented the concept of Italian nationality for the first time in history, aglutinating all the peoples of the peninsula in a single community of Greco-Roman uses and Latin language.

I recently had my DNA analyze through the National Geographic's Genological project and the results were incredible.  I come from a family with deep Turkish roots, still celebrating pre-Islamic Turkish traditions and folklore from the Anatolian/Caucasus region.  We do not have any Mongol features as most western historians like to wrongly categorize Turks.  The DNA pool was found to be a direct descendent of the Eurasian Adam, which belongs to the Haplogroup J2(M172).  This group is the first human migration to Europe.  They originally moved up mesopotamia, through Anatolia(Catalhoyuk) and branched out to Europe(mainly through the Alpine region) and also back through the Caucasus into Asia.  Ironically, this is the dominant group in Turkey and is the most dominant for all Turks.  This group is found in Basque and Etruscan societies.

As far as I know, Basque and Etruscan languages have no relations with Turkish language.

Why some people believe that Etruscan language was not IE? I have read some material claiming that they were pre IE, some other that they were proto IE and some that they were IE, linked directly with the Illyrians, other Italic, Thracians and Celts.

As far as I know nobody really deciphered the etruscan language till now, and the discovered scriptures could be read in other keys as well.We have to wait for a "Rosetta Stone" perhaps.

Well Yannis reading this discussion i saw that somebody mentioned some 30000 years of uninterrupted history etc. I am aware that anyway modern historians as well as greek scientists accept that the first greek tribes invaded this place at the dates you mentioned.

Originally posted by Tamercorp I recently had my DNA analyze through the National Geographic's Genological project and the results were incredible.  I come from a family with deep Turkish roots, still celebrating pre-Islamic Turkish traditions and folklore from the Anatolian/Caucasus region.  We do not have any Mongol features as most western historians like to wrongly categorize Turks.  The DNA pool was found to be a direct descendent of the Eurasian Adam, which belongs to the Haplogroup J2(M172).  This group is the first human migration to Europe.  They originally moved up mesopotamia, through Anatolia(Catalhoyuk) and branched out to Europe(mainly through the Alpine region) and also back through the Caucasus into Asia.  Ironically, this is the dominant group in Turkey and is the most dominant for all Turks.  This group is found in Basque and Etruscan societies.