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    Posted: 04-Oct-2005 at 07:07
That sounds quite logic: overall Turkey's population is clearly Caucasian while Central Asian population is rather Mongoloid (North Asian), though more mixed than other groups. Not that Caucasians and North Asians are too distant in the family tree of Humankind but anyhow. 

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http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/HG_2004_v114_p127-148. pdf
Found The link to the "Excavating Y-chromosome haplotype strata in Anatolia"
Published online 29 Oct 2003

This to me seems to be the most up to date and detailed one so far. It divides Turkey into regions which would be great to drill down to the detail of the genetic impacts of migrations to/from Anadolia as I would think most migrations never affected the whole area evenly. The finding are good reading, and in its conclusion addresses some of the other earlier studies including "DNA diversity and population admixture in Anatolia", and it has similar doubts that Maju brought up.Bravo Maju unless you have read this already

"Minor genetic influence of Turkic speakers various estimates exist of the proportion of gene flow associated with the arrival of Central Asian Turkic speaking people to Anatolia. One study based on analyses of six STR loci in 88 Y-chromosomes from Turkey suggested only a 10% contribution (Rolf et al. 1999). Another study suggests roughly 30% based upon mtDNA control region sequences and one binary and six STR Y-chromosome loci analyzed in 118 Turkish samples (Di Benedetto et al. 2001). While it is likely that gene flow between Central Asia and Anatolia has occurred repeatedly throughout prehistory, uncertainties regarding source populations and the number of such episodes between Central Asia and Europe confound any assessment of the contribution of the 11th century AD Oghuz nomads responsible for the Turkic language replacement. These new Y-chromosome data provide candidate haplogroups to differentiate lineages specific to the postulated source populations, thus overcoming potential artifacts caused by indistinguishable overlapping gene flows. The best candidates for estimations are Asian-specific haplogroups C-RPS4Y (Wells et al. 2001; Karafet et al. 2001; Zerjal et al. 2003) and O3-M122 (Su et al. 2000). These lineages occur at 1.5% in Turkey (8/523). Using Central Asian Y-chromosome data from either 13 populations and 149 samples (Underhill et al. 2000) or 49 populations and 1,935 samples (Wells et al. 2001) where these diagnostic lineages occur at 33% and 18%, respectively, their estimated contributions range from 0.0153/0.329 100=4.6% to 0.0153/0.180100=8.5%. During the Bronze Age the population of Anatolia expanded, reaching an estimated level of 12 million during the late Roman Period (Russell 1958). Such a large pre-existing Anatolian population would have reduced the impact by the subsequent arrival of Turkic speaking Seljuk and Osmanlı groups from Central Asia. Although the genetic legacy of Anatolia remains somewhat inchoate, our excavations of these new levels of shared Y-chromosome heritage and subsequent diversification provide new clues to Anatolian prehistory, as well as a substantial foundation for comparisons with other populations. Our results demonstrate Anatolias role as a buffer between culturally and genetically distinct populations, being both an important source and recipient of gene flow."Pg 9

As you can see there still needs more work, but the picture is getting clearer. The Scientist are comfortable with the 12 million estimates becuase they keep seeing it their results ....while the "it was empty when we got there" story should of consistantly showed up in all of these studies by now.



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You are the one who is bringing very interesting data to this topic, Leonidas, you are the one that should be congratulated. 

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U r a moderator arn't u.U should not have been offended when I addressed u as Mr.Moderator.
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Near East

greece has more R-red(West European) genes than turkey, but same greece also is the most afrotic(E-green) nation in Europe and have significant middle east-north african j genes


Major groups in Europe

Turkey is mostly J2 but it is normaly less then quarter percent


  • J2=24% -Typical of populations of the Near East, Southeast Europe, Southwest Asia and the Caucasus
  • R1b=14.7% -Typical of Western Europeans and Eurasian People
  • G=10.9% - Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
  • E1b1b1=10.7% - Typical of people from the Mediterranean
  • J1=9% - Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan
  • R1a=6.9% - Typical of Central Asian, Caucasus, Eastern Europeans and Indo-Aryan people.
  • I=5.3% - Typical of Central Europeans, Western Caucasian and Balkan populations.
  • K=4.5% - Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
  • L=4.2% - Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations.
  • N=3.8% - Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
  • T=2.5% - Typical of Mediterranean, Northeast African and South Asian populations
  • Q=1.9% - Typical of Northern Altaic populations.

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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2011 at 19:14
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

and Top 8 of Haplogroup(Y-DNA) in Turkey

j2                                                                 r1b


g2a                                                              e1


j1                                                                 r1a



i2                                                                  l



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