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    Posted: 21-Oct-2014 at 18:36
Christian Chapel Owners Were Reportedly Threatened With Jail Time and Fines For Refusing to Marry Gays — and Now They’re Fighting Back

An interesting look at the state of affairs of the nation as the current alinsky-socialist-reformer pc'ers march on.

The obvious 'out' is to apply for a religious corporation exemption. Which apparently those in the above case are either doing or have done.

The USSC has essentially settled that question. Otoh, their refusal to hear a case last month on this specific issue has paved the way for more traditional erosion by the Obammites and ilk. Hence the constitutionality of the marriages leans now to the gay side as evidenced by various federal appeals circuits.


Me personally if it becomes the law of the land...I will be forced to passive civil disobedience as necessary. As I do not agree or support with either the gay lifestyle or the concept of same sex marriage.

Matter of fact, I'm seriously considering opening my own church after ordination by the 'old men of the tribe' near the 4 corners region with chapters on the llano.

All gays will be welcome. We will do our best to guide them back to the 'light'. We will welcome all traditional marriage to include those of differing races or political ideologies.

Ntl there will be no same sex marriage allowed.

Amen.




see: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/20/ordained-ministers-who-refuse-to-marry-gay-couples-in-their-chapel-are-fighting-back-after-reportedly-being-threatened-with-fines-and-jail-time/
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Really, CV, "back to the light"? What "light" is this you're talking about here? Is this meant to be some sort of "light" a person was born with?
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My suggestion, CV, is this. As government is meant to be separate from religion in your country, then this might be applied to churches and wedding ceremonies. As the legal formalities of a wedding ceremony is part of the law of the land, which is government, then any church should have the right to have that legal aspect of wedding ceremonies removed, in order to have the weddings they want. I'm sure those people who have no problem with the extra inconvenience involved won't mind going through a civil ceremony too, to make it legal.  
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Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising

<span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Really, CV, "back to the light"? What "light" is this you're talking about here? Is this meant to be some sort of "light" a person was born with?</span>




That should be obvious for you Alani ole chum.

A historic, traditional, Judeo-Christian interpretation. Nothing less.
I continue to acknowledge the 4th amendment issues here and might...just might...see the validity of 'civil unions'.

And if it were to become law, would understand, but neither agree or support. But recognize that the majority, if that occurs, had sought a change. But that's not a change I personally have to accept or practice.

There has been a liberal socialist shift primarly of younger adults...usually democrats.

see: http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/sex-marriage-support-reaches-new-high.aspx


But this can be attributed the pasr six years of Obammite Alinsky socialist agendas. Look at the figures if your still here in 20 years.
As these are the same that bought into socialist welfare redistribution of wealth; and the faux black liberation theology agendas. Gay's saw this and jumped onto the wagon for justification of personal conduct.



Until then the light they would be led to is that which I support:



Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.




1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.




Romans 1:26-28

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.




Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.




1 Timothy 1:10 The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,




1 Corinthians 7:2

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.




Mark 10:6-9

But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”




1 Timothy 1:10-11    

The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.





Leviticus 18:22    

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.




1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.




Romans 1:26-28

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.




Leviticus 20:13    

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


(tho that put to death 'thingy' should dropped.)




1 Corinthians 7:2   

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.




Jude 1:7    

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.





Romans 1:27   



And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.



Ephesians 5:1-21    



Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


etc...etc...etc.

'Brotherly love' is not defined, for me, as homosexual conduct or same sex marriage.

Tho I am willing to instruct them and forgive them; and recognize civil liberties they might gain through the democratic process.. I will not condone them.

And I remain perfectly entitled to that opinion and position.


No matter the counter diatribe, rhetoric or character assassination;or charges of homophobia and or bigotry that gay's would label me with.

Because in their labeling, they identify the weakness in their willingness to even consider contrary opinion...


...which is indeed bigotry. I have considered their positions and arguments as objectively as possible and reject them.


Amen.

late note. in the end this is merely more an issue of ongoing erosion of traditional values by liberal socialist radicals. and the insertion of 'big government' into a arena that should be left to the states. to determine what is or isn't appropriate based on the majority viewpoint. insofar as civil unions and interstate application of the 4th amend. and churches as regards traditional marriage as per the separation clause.



Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 21-Oct-2014 at 22:03
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That should be obvious for you Alani ole chum.

A historic, traditional, Judeo-Christian interpretation. Nothing less.
I continue to acknowledge the 4th amendment issues here and might...just might...see the validity of 'civil unions'.

And if it were to become law, would understand, but neither agree or support. But recognize that the majority, if that occurs, had sought a change. But that's not a change I personally have to accept or practice.

There has been a liberal socialist shift primarly of younger adults...usually democrats.

see: http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/sex-marriage-support-reaches-new-high.aspx


But this can be attributed the pasr six years of Obammite Alinsky socialist agendas. Look at the figures if your still here in 20 years.
As these are the same that bought into socialist welfare redistribution of wealth; and the faux black liberation theology agendas. Gay's saw this and jumped onto the wagon for justification of personal conduct.



Until then the light they would be led to is that which I support:



Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.




1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.




Romans 1:26-28

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.




Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.




1 Timothy 1:10 The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,




1 Corinthians 7:2

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.




Mark 10:6-9

But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”




1 Timothy 1:10-11    

The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.





Leviticus 18:22    

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.




1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.




Romans 1:26-28

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.




Leviticus 20:13    

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


(tho that put to death 'thingy' should dropped.)




1 Corinthians 7:2   

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.




Jude 1:7    

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.





Romans 1:27   



And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.



Ephesians 5:1-21    



Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.


etc...etc...etc.

'Brotherly love' is not defined, for me, as homosexual conduct or same sex marriage.

Tho I am willing to instruct them and forgive them; and recognize civil liberties they might gain through the democratic process.. I will not condone them.

And I remain perfectly entitled to that opinion and position.


No matter the counter diatribe, rhetoric or character assassination;or charges of homophobia and or bigotry that gay's would label me with.

Because in their labeling, they identify the weakness in their willingness to even consider contrary opinion...


...which is indeed bigotry. I have considered their positions and arguments as objectively as possible and reject them.


Amen.

late note. in the end this is merely more an issue of ongoing erosion of traditional values by liberal socialist radicals. and the insertion of 'big government' into a arena that should be left to the states. to determine what is or isn't appropriate based on the majority viewpoint. insofar as civil unions and interstate application of the 4th amend. and churches as regards traditional marriage as per the separation clause.

Think you’re going to have to help me out here somewhat, CV. You wrote, “I continue to acknowledge the 4th amendment issues here and might...just might...see the validity of 'civil unions' “. First of all, what is the nature of the 4th amendment issues you are attesting to? Secondly, your stance on equality in marriage here is a philosophical one. So what is your rational in seeing validity in civil unions, where you are in opposition to unions in church?


Btw, CV, you're a historian, so you should know how most traditional values through the ages have gone by the way side. A great many no doubt due to the unenlightened contents.  

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a clerical-typo error on my part Alani...tired eyes. I meant the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. A nature of the same sex marriage argument... is that this would be a violation of:

''The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race.''

but is off set by the following:


''The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights.''


http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/equal_protection

Homosexuals iow..seek, insofar as same sex marriage, afaic, to promote themselves as a class. in this case, a non traditional class, seeking exclusivity ie. exception, under the protection of the amend ntl.

And yes the stance I adhere to is philosophical but equally theological in it's conservative (ie. traditionalist) interpretation.

I am yet unsure as to the constitutionality of civil unions unless arrived at viz the 10th Amend:

''The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.''

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment10.html#sthash.EANfT9qX.dpuf


As for church unions? yes I support those in a traditional form given historical traditional interpretation...even given the caveat that many churches of varying 'non traditional' more 'modern views' conduct them.

The former I consider legitimate. The latter apostate in their revisionism of traditional theology.

now I'm tired.
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