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    Posted: 19-May-2005 at 15:24
I was wondering. Are they any remaining Khazars left in Russia? Are the Jewish populace there the remains of the past Empire or just converts? I have heard other stories that present day jews are in fact decendants from the Empire.  



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Here are the answers of all your questions.

http://www.khazaria.com/
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The best answer would come from the jews themselves.
If we look at jewishencyclopedia.com we find that it clears the whole issue.

"In the year 669 the Ugrians or Zabirs freed themselves from the rule of the Obrians, settled between the Don and the Caucasus, and came under the dominion of the Chazars..................................It was probably about that time that the chaghan of the Chazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his heathen people, embraced the Jewish religion. According to A. Harkavy ("Meassef Niddaḥim," i.), the conversion took place in 620; according to others, in 740. King Joeph, in his letter to Ḥasdai ibn Shaprut (about 960), gives the following account of the conversion:(see Harkavy, "Soobshchenija o Chazarakh," in "Yevreiskaya Biblioteka," vii. 153)

"Some centuries ago King Bulan reigned over the Chazars. To him God appeared in a dream and promised him might and glory. Encouraged by this dream, Bulan went by the road of Darlan to the country of Ardebil, where he gained great victories [over the Arabs]. The Byzantine emperor and the calif of the Ishmaelites sent to him envoys with presents, and sages to convert him to their respective religions. Bulan invited also wise men of Israel, and proceeded to examine them all. As each of the champions believed his religion to be the best, Bulan separately questioned the Mohammedans and the Christians as to which of the other two religions they considered the better. When both gave preference to that of the Jews, that king perceived that it must be the true religion. He therefore adopted it".
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I didn't bother reading any of the other posts, just out of laziness, so if I type the same thing as above....oh well.  The Hazars don't exist anymore, the people may exist but not with the title of Hazar.  I've read that many of them have migrated to Central Asia and assimilated their with other Turks, some converted to Islam and some haven't but I assume most have.  Also, that a lot have migrated towards Urkraine and have assimilated with the Ukrainians and kept their Jewish religion.  I've heard other stories, I can't remember them but thes two stories sound the best to me.
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They dont exist very populated because they were mostly massackred by Hitler in WWII. But still, the Karaim Turks and others exist in Ukraine, and Eastern Europe...
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Thanks to everyone for their replies. It appears this Khazar thing seems to have become a political tool for anti-zionists. 
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Has it?
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Well many of them use this as a way to attack the creation of Israel, by stating that since the Jews there are converts they do not apply to the gods promise of Canaan. 
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I see, well they don't deserve that land.  My opinion has nothing to do with the Hazars though.
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