Sumerian origins of mythology?

quite true...it might have been inadvertently lost or taken I don't know. But I would also report it back to the service and complain. Which is why a backup disc off the system is a necessary. I learned that the hard way when I was not in that habit.

And as an informative tool; I recommend you list some citations and sources...references..etc... on occasion that others might then follow up on this area of subject matter.

As you know AR... I'm a stickler for that sort of thing... as it, in the long run, as noted elsewhere...enhances the credibility and presentation of your work. It will also allow others the opportunity to further research on their own thru cross referencing. And for the novice it 'opens' the door.

best
CV

AR slow down and breath....I cant help ya with your computer issues but only can hope ya can return soon. Your input has proven to be quite enjoyable and informative.

Remember what I've told ya before... paranoia is not healthy whether it's driven by genuine problems you might have no control over...or self induced.

This is friendly advice not a dictum. Do... as I have also said before..what ya must do... to be happy.

best
CV

You only have a certain amount of time to edit Art usually a couple of hours... for your info...and ty for the update.

Meslamtaea/Allam(taea)/'Sulim(taea)/Allamu/Almu "god of war, Nergal, underworld, who issues forth in might, an image" (Sumer/Akkad)?
Jalamdhara "declared war on the gods, extraordinary strength, gift of bringing dead back to life" (India) [s(h) & j interchange]?

p.s. Also see
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?163023-Genetics-Archaeology-amp-Linguistics-support-PIE-homeland-near-Proto-Uralic-homeland/page2
http://historum.com/blogs/rob+banks/30940-sumerian-origins-all-nations-myths.html



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 13-Mar-2015 at 00:26

I'm abit unsure about this one whether right or wrong. Previously the Sumer/Akkad candidate for Surya i thought might be either (')Sawul/(')Savul "fire/sun" (Babylonian), or Ashur/Assur (Assyrian), but now i think Sulpae (&/or Sul) is maybe more likely. (Previously i thought Sulpae seemed similar to Surabhi, but they don't seem to match.)

Sulpae "radiance/brillant, youth(ful), the planet Jupiter, astral, in underworld, fertility, husband/consort of mother goddess, 3 children" (Sumerian)?
*Sawel/*seh2wol- ((Proto-)Indo-European).
Surya/S(o)uro "sun god, day maker, king of planets, cosmic order, driving a chariot across the sky" (Indian).
Sure (Iran), or Hvare.../Haverseta (Iran)?
Surias (Kassite).
S(o)ur (Armenian), or Shavarsh (Armenian)?
Suwaliyattas "connected with hebat, [war]" (Hittite)?
Helios (Greek).
Sol "sun, radiate image" (Roman).
Usil (Etruscan)?
Saule "sun" (Baltic).
Sol "sun, drives chariot across sky, maiden" (Norse/German).
Sucellos "good striker, cross, hammer, cup/dish, springs" (Celtic)?
Sul/Sulis/Sulla "eye, sun, hot/thermal waters/springs, knowledge, prophecy"?

This might be wrong, but might not be?:

Asarluhi/Asalluha "Marduk, light of the gods, mighty prince, a shedu & lamassu of the gods and of the land, in mighty combat saved our dwelling, associated with Enki, magical knowledge, the river of ordeal, messenger/reporter, exorcism" (Sumer-Akkadian).
Ses(h)a(naga) "remainder, prodigious snake, great/world serpent lying in the primeval sea & encirlcing the world, endless, many/thousand headed, chief of the nagas, used as a couch to rest on between cycles of the universe, holding back the waters" (Indian).

today we found Apam Napat in Sumerian/Akkadian (though it seems familiar like i possibly may have seen it once before and forgot/lost it). (The two question marked ones are uncertain. The others are orthodox reckoned cognates.)

Pap-sim-nun-bada "mighty father, Adar, son of Enlil" (Sumer-Akkadian).
(X)akwo(:)m Nepo(:)t/*H2ekwom nepot/*h2epom nepot(s)/Apom nepots/(*)Neptonos "well, fiery liquid, guardian of sacred fire water" ((Proto-)Indo-European).
Apam Napat "grandchild of the waters, fresh water" (Indian & Iranian).
Aranzahas (Hittite)?
Neoptolemus "youth, son of Achilles, one of the heroes of the Trojan war" (Greek/Armenian)?
Neptune/Neptunus "irrigation, agricultural, watering, horse-racing, sea, the planet" (Italic).
Nethuns "fresh water, wells/springs, naked bearded figure" (Etruscan).
Nechta(i)n (Celtic).

Thanks Red Clay. I will be interested to see/hear/comment more if there is a thread. To many people discard traditional sources.

Thanks for all the advice Centrix. I didn't say i am alone in the sense of the only one, i said there are others struggling. I am almost totally alone (from positives not from negatives) in my situation/condition though. I am not able to find a way not matter how they fake-reasons force it. No man is an island. It is not up to just me. But up to others, God/chance/nature/law, and me (past/present/future)/my anestors. They have too much self work stuff here, people are homeless because of it. I have never been good with self advice. In short/summary Love is the most important thing.
Better to dicsuss the evidence rather than the game. Thanks for the link.

Here is a more detailed post on Dyaus-pitar/Ziusudra, for an example test re what is lacking or what more is needed for it to be understood & accepted as proven. They are almost all Indo-European and peer/academic approved, and all have easy to see how/when/where diffusion/association occured, and all are continuous neighbours from India to Italy/UK/Scandinavia.


Dyaus(pitar)/Dyaush(-pitir)/Dyavaprthivi "bright sky/heaven/universal father, abstract, creator, [from cold/bleak north]" (Indian).
Dezau (Afghan/Kafir/Kalash/Kati)?
Dyaos Pita (Iranian).
Duzagas (Kassite)?
*De(i)wos / Dyeuz/*Dyeu-(p?ter)/(*)Dye(:)us (P(a)te(:)r/Ph2te(:)r) "sky, god/spirit, light/day, father" ((P)IE).
Ziusu(d)ra/Xisuthros/Ziudsuddu "flood survivor, sacrificed an ox, king, translated to Dilmun/faraway, granted immortality like gods, he who saw life" (Sumerian)?
Dsovean "storm, water" (Armenia)? or, Astwatz (Armenia)?
[Donbettyr "Peter" (Georgian/Ossetian)?]
Shiush/(d)Sius (Hittite).
Tiyaz Pa:paz (Palaic).
[Teucer (Trojan)? or Tros (Trojan)?]
Zeus (Pater)/Zen-/Zan/Zas/Zayas/Ievs/Jeoud/Dios/Diwo/Diuja "head of pantheon, sent the Flood, universal, through him comes all mortal sovereignty, sacrifice of bulls, eagle, weather, clouds, rain, lightning, thunderbolts, father of gods & men, enormous sexual  vigour" (Greek).
Dei-patyro(s) (Illyria); &/or Zoti "god", or Zeau "intelligence" (Albania)?
Jupiter/Jove(s Pater)/Jovis "head of pantheon, thunder, lightning, light of day, stone" (Roman).
Da(z(h))bog "sun, wealth" (Slav)? or, Div (Slav)?
Diev(a)s "sky, farmer, he 1st set free the sun" (Baltic).
[Tharapita/Taara (Finnish)?]
Tiw(az)/Tig/Ziu(men)/Zio "Mars, sky, war, law & order, right hand bitten off" (German).
Tyr "war, shining, glistening, peasant" (Norse).
Tuis "king of Greece" (Celt)?
Dis (pater) (Celt)? &/or, Dag(h)da "good god, all father" (Irish)?
Teotl "god" (Aztec)?

Note: compare Noah (farmer, lost member, flood, father of all, light in ark, from Ararat/cold/north, grave stone, good/lawgiver, sacrifced, longevity, patriarch/king).
Note: The Georgian/Ossetian Donbettyr may not be Poseidon/Bangputys as i previously thought but rather may be Dyaus/Zeus/Jupiter?




Edited by Arthur-Robin - 25-Sep-2014 at 06:41

AR, some of the information you posted re Lenni Lenape comes from the "wallum olum".  A written history of the Lenni.  Highly suspect as being a hoax created in the early 19th cent.  Not even the present day Lenni give much credence to it.

Well A-R you have given me a bucket full to catch up in many respects.

Thanks.


By transliteration. I mean the classic definition of the same. Insofar as the varying languages, used in identifying the names etc... may or may not have been transliterated.

''Transliteration is the conversion of a text from one script to another.[1]

For instance, the Greek phrase "Ελληνική Δημοκρατία" 'Hellenic Republic' can be transliterated as "Ellēnikē Dēmokratia" by substituting Greek letters for Latin letters.

Transliteration can form an essential part of transcription which converts text from one writing system into another.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration

In your case, were the identification of names of deities, as an example transliterated? And if so then where/when did, if applicable, cultural and social diffusion occur and can it be credibly proven.


As for your efforts. They are being recognized here and peer review is not always a quick process.

Nominally the following definition applies:

''evaluation of scientific, academic, or professional work by others working in the same field.''

This is not easy at all if you don't attempt it through the university system. If at all possible. As far to often, literally, as apparently you have found. Your competition, for varying reasons, are not necessarily willing. To either condemn or confirm anything they either don't already ascribe towards. Or even challenge those that they do.

As to be brutally frank, they will ignore those without at least a minimum of verifiable academic credentialing

That's unfortunately the 'world' of peer review.

And as I alluded above. The easier entry is through academia. And not necessarily blogging as an outlet.

So presuming you have not attempted this. I recommend you do.


There even then may be obstacles.

Some..Dons/Professors are not willing to assist a non enrolled student. And at best, reject you as possibly a talented amateur; but still won't assist beyond a point, if at all.

Otoh, there are always just as many willing to assist and or review your work. If, generally, you will present it in the standard form of a research paper/presentation, even if non enrolled.

You will have to learn where the latter are and disregard the former.

You might also become a research volunteer, attend free lectures..ask questions directly from known subject matter experts (scholars and museum directors specializing in your field) for the same..etc.

(In matters of mythologies and theological nexus and development, for example. I have found Jesuit scholars quite helpful.)

And adroitly over time. Gain their respect and a matter of confidence.. in such a fashion..that they in turn reciprocate.

Again it takes time.

Rejection.

By any who work, or have worked, in the field of research and or authorship..learn this early on. The list of initially failed authors, who have waited years and received untold numbers of rejections of their work is endless.

Case in point...my Master's of Liberal Arts Degree(Specialization in International Affairs and Military Science), thesis, was rejected four times by my academic review board.

Before they were interested in supporting it's veracity-credibility and ultimate publication.

And that was from a friendly audience. lol.

So take heart. Continue to research. Don't be afraid to amend a hypothesis and seek out those willing to assist in reviewing your effort.

Because whether you or I like it or not....that's how, in this case, the 'great game' is played.

CV






Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 22-Sep-2014 at 01:43