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My People and Homeland Assyria 
By Abbey Mikha 

I’m far away in kilometers, but every moment I feel your pain, 
Life has been hard for you, this situation, to say the least is a lot of strain.
In the past days and months and minutes and seconds I realized,
Our dream of a homeland should never be unrealized. 

If its our faith in Christianity that makes us weak. 
Maybe it’s our mentality that we have to tweak.
Perhaps we understand it wrong. 
In order to survive our outlook we need to be strong.
Strong in the realization that no one will give a helping hand,
Even if we tell them it is our land! 

This life of suffering for an Assyrian Christian in the homeland is truly a sad tune, 
We need to have a place of our own where we can bloom. 
I keep thinking about the situation and I can’t sleep, I can’t sleep. 
We are at a point that’s very deep, very deep. 

Either we rise and defend our land.
Or we live in diaspora in foreign countries, is this what we planed? 
Life is so hard, life is so hard. 
Since 1915 our nation has been scarred. 

I wish I could do much more than write you these words,
Believe me when reading history I realized our problem is the Kurds.
They slaughtered us, stole our lands, and now we don’t know what they will do with us.
I feel like they will throw us under the bus. 
We have to wake up as a nation, 
And not just live on their ration. 
In my heart Assyria will never die, 
My tears are falling but no I will not cry, I will not cry....


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Dear Sander, 

Thanks for your post.  Its good that Francy offered asylum to Iraqi Christians facing death by ISIS but we want our homeland to be safe to live in.  Most Assyrian Christians do not want to leave.  If the international community will create a safe haven area for Assyrian Christians and other minority Christians many people would even go back.  

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Its nice that you remember me.  I wish you all the best. :) Take care. 

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Hullo Mona. Long time. But nice to see ya. Keep up the effort for to stop is to fail.

Patience-prayer and if you have too...bayonets. This world is to secular to care but that doesn't mean GOD doesn't.

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Not bad stuff. tis about sophomore level at the uni. but at this point it's personalized opinion more than a historical dissertation. Work on as suggested more sources either through footnote inclusions or in an appendix attached.

As for the content?

Nice gesture by the Frenchies I suppose...but a bit late.
The real answer lies in eradication of all hostile Islamist terrorist groups be they Sunni or Shia.

Because Christians in Iraq are not the only ones suffering persecution. Which by the way, you should have included that observation.


Alas, that will not happen under the current US administration. To many academia based, Alinsky Jew haters, amongst them. Now tie that to their undying efforts to secularize the American populace and eliminate the traditional based values of the same...don't look for much support other than pro forma rhetoric; when it comes to their actual concern for Christians. And or other religious minorities in the region. For that matter.

It doesn't help when you have a dolt for Secretary of State either.

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Thanks Centrix Vigilis, 

I remember you from some years past.  I used to post as MonaLisa.  Thanks for the B :).  I remember a long time ago you told me to mention the suffering of the Sabeans and Mandeans as well.  This is very true, but I am very hurt by the suffering of people of my own nation too.  The way I see it is that people in the western world have more concern for animal rights than the human rights of the ancient Assyrian Christians.  

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<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Is History Repeating Itself?

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;"><strong style="font-size: 1.05em; line-height: 1.4;">By Abbey Mikha

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">            World War I as thought of as an Islamic Jihad and or a Christian Crusade is in essence very similar, but it involved diverse nations of differing historical background and from opposing regions of the world. Although the terms Jihad or Crusade had a religious connotation, the actual dealings, which occurred, by the Ottomans and the British were based on interests, benefits, strategy, and not necessarily religion. These religious ideas were used to rationalize war against a perceived enemy. The ordinary individual on both sides and his religious passions were sparked by these religious philosophies, which were used by their leaders to start conflict and continue it for the benefit of the heads of these empires. It is not the ordinary individual who benefited from war rather the planers and thinkers who use ordinary people to condition them to do their dirty work. History is repeating itself as ISIS is doing this today in Mosul, Iraq and other regions against the Assyrian Christians, the Indigenous people of Nineveh. It must be stated that ISIS itself is a tool in the hands of the same schemers who since 2003 until today have been terrorizing, displacing, and killing Assyrian Christians. One must ask the question of who is benefiting from these criminal acts and then we will know who is responsible.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">During World War I Crusade meant a religious war and Jihad meant effort or struggle. A call to Jihad was made in Constantinople and another in Madina by Arabs. The leaders told the regular people that death or sacrifice for the cause would send them to paradise. In 1914 there were 270 million Muslims. 30 million governed by fellow Muslims. 100 million were British subjects. There were others in Chechnya. Those who opposed holy war were promised the fire of hell. This was to scare the ordinary religious individual. Call to Jihad was translated into Persian, Urdu, Arabic, and Tartar. Jihad was also proclaimed in Afghanistan and India. In Persia there was a call for Jihad by Shiites. Uganda, Congo, Sudan were also involved.   This was the most prominent instant of state sponsored Jihad, for the Ottomans knew that their empire was going to be destroyed unless they make their move. Jihad was seen as a German plan to weaken Britain and her allies at the time.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Enver Pasha the Ottoman Minister of War himself wondered, “Is holy war useful?” In other words how could the Ottomans use the notion of holy war! Jihad was an attempt by the Ottomans to supposedly unite the empire. One must note that history seems to be repeating itself here again because today the Prime Minister of Turkey Tayyip Ordogan and his Turkish Foreign Minister Daoud Oglo are the main players in the fighting of a dirty war in Syria and Iraq in order to selfishly retrieve gas and oil by manipulating many Islamic Jihadi groups in the region.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">In regards to World War I in the Middle East and the Ottomans using the notion of holy war to unite the empire, one has to consider that there were many non-Turkish nations living under Ottoman tyranny who were also Christians such as the Assyrians, Armenians, and Greeks. If Jihad was going to strengthen the Ottoman Empire what was to become of its Christian inhabitants?

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">The British Empire had more Muslims living in it than the Ottoman Empire, but there was a religious crusade declared in Europe. The regular soldiers were told that the British army wanted to reclaim the Holy Land for Christendom and perhaps make Jerusalem the capital of the world. Throughout the 19th century the idea of crusade was associated with an act of public good, like crusading for a cause.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">The idea of Crusade was not just restricted to the Middle East. Anglicans demonized Germany as anti-Christian and perhaps even pagan. This was their propaganda. Though Germany was a European country the British wanted to defeat the Germans because these peoples were of a different culture. The British tried to distance themselves from fighting a Muslim Empire but they did want to reclaim Constantinople supposedly for Christianity.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">In March 1917 the British took Baghdad but the British proclaimed themselves as liberators rather than colonizers. Also, when Allenby entered Jerusalem he did so on foot rather than as a conqueror on a horse. For soldiers of the Middle East who relied on the Bible crusading was about Ottoman government not Islam. They wanted to free people from Ottoman rule not Islamic rule. Soldiers many times saw themselves as tourists. They were fascinated by Islamic culture and found this to be a once in a lifetime opportunity, a chance to see Egypt, tour the Christian Holy sights and Islamic architecture.   Most of the British soldiers were Protestants though and they did not feel a complete connection with the Christianity in the Holy Land. It is not what they expected. Perhaps here again history is repeating itself as the same sentiment can be seen in the reasoning for many if not most European, Canadian, American, and the larger English speaking community of the world today who do not feel a closeness and a need to stand up for the crimes against humanity which are being committed against the Assyrian Christians. We ask you on behalf of all the Assyrians suffering in the world. Open your eyes and hearts and help this ancient community, which is on the brink of extinction.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Conclusion

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Religion is supposed to be about spirituality. Religion is about faith and it is for the individual not for nations to ruin the world through their understanding of religion. Faith is between you and God no one else. It was the leaders of the Ottoman and the British Empires who used the terms Jihad and Crusade to ignite in the ordinary individual the desire to go to war against another nation and other human beings of differing religions and cultures.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Lets give an example. Had World War I really been a Christian Crusade as was thought by some of the British soldiers, the British planers and thinkers would have aided the Assyrians Christians in the Hakkari region, of what is now south east Turkey, and not allowed them to be slaughtered and crucified by the Ottomans just for being Assyrians of a different and more ancient culture, language, and because they were ancient Christians.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Although the Assyrians were called Britain’s smallest ally the British only used them and made false promises for a homeland for the Assyrians. They abandoned them and were not faithful to their promises. Today history is repeating itself because the Assyrian Christians are asking from the world community the establishment of their own federal region in their ancestral homeland, but the world powers are giving their lands to the Kurdish occupiers who are originally not from this land, rather from nomadic areas such as Afghanistan and Mahabad Iran. The Kurds have lived in the area less than 200 years and they are definitely not indigenous to this land.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Jihad and Crusade during WWI had little to do with true religion, which is spirituality. Gandhi who was a product of British colonization said something interesting. He said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” These words give witness to British mannerism and their colonial wars. It was not about religion or spirituality and faith, rather it was about the interests of the few at the expense of the ordinary poor individual, human beings, and nations. Wars and conflicts are always between various sides that know each other well, and know what they want from their campaign or operation. The regular people who die, they don’t know why they are truly there and why they are dying.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">Now a hundred years after World War I the Assyrian Christians are still suffering and being driven out of their ancestral homeland.  ISIS is a powerful gang who have taken advantage and created a strategy to gain control of an unstable Middle East. The Assyrian activists worldwide should realize that we have to be strong and diligent in speaking out about the events occuring in the homeland.  History repeats itself.  No one will give us our rights unless we ask for it and stand up for it.  It is very sad that basic human rights are not being afforded to the Assyrians Christians of the region. We need to have leaders that will work in the right direction and who wont be afraid to speak the truth and be faithful to the Sacred Assyrian Cause.

<p style="font-size: 1.05em; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; : rgb213, 214, 215;">*All information from World War I in the Middle East class 2014






Not bad stuff. tis about sophomore level at the uni. but at this point it's personalized opinion more than a historical dissertation. Work on as suggested more sources either through footnote inclusions or in an appendix attached.

As for the content?

Nice gesture by the Frenchies I suppose...but a bit late.
The real answer lies in eradication of all hostile Islamist terrorist groups be they Sunni or Shia.

Because Christians in Iraq are not the only ones suffering persecution. Which by the way, you should have included that observation.


Alas, that will not happen under the current US administration. To many academia based, Alinsky Jew haters, amongst them. Now tie that to their undying efforts to secularize the American populace and eliminate the traditional based values of the same...don't look for much support other than pro forma rhetoric; when it comes to their actual concern for Christians. And or other religious minorities in the region. For that matter.

It doesn't help when you have a dolt for Secretary of State either.

Your grade?

B.
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Regarding rating:  The claims of alleged British attitudes ( towards Germans to name only one example) can be valued better if they are backed-up by references/citations ( e.g. British statements).





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Originally posted by Abbey

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Now a hundred years after World War I the Assyrian Christians are still suffering and being driven out of their ancestral homeland.  ISIS is a powerful gang who have taken advantage and created a strategy to gain control of an unstable Middle East. The Assyrian activists worldwide should realize that we have to be strong and diligent in speaking out about the events occuring in the homeland.

History repeats itself.  No one will give us our rights unless we ask for it and stand up for it.  It is very sad that basic human rights are not being afforded to the Assyrians Christians of the region. We need to have leaders that will work in the right direction and who wont be afraid to speak the truth and be faithful to the Sacred Assyrian Cause.

*All information from World War I in the Middle East class 2014


 
Today, the Dutch and other news-channels  ( see below) reported that France offered to give asylum to Iraqi Christians prosecuted/facing death by ISIS. According to an earlier report of Fox news  many of those Iraqi Christians are Assyrian Christians. 




Purged by ISIS, Iraq's Christians appeal to world for help


Iraqi Christians are begging for help from the civilized world after Mosul, the northern city where they have lived and worshiped for 2,000 years, was purged of non-Muslims by ISIS, the jihadist terror group that claims to have established its own nation in the region.

Assyrian Christians, including Chaldean and Syriac Catholics, Syriac Orthodox and followers of the Assyrian Church of the East have roots in present day Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran that stretch back to the time of Jesus Christ. While they have long been a minority and have faced persecution in the past, they had never been driven completely from their homes as has happened in Mosul under ISIS. When the terror group ordered all to convert to Islam, pay a religious tax or face execution, many chose another option: flight.

"By 12 noon on Saturday, the Christians -- all of them -- left the city," Yousif Habash, an Iraqi-born bishop of the Syriac Catholic Church, told FoxNews.com.

......



28 July 2014

The French government says it is ready to offer asylum to Iraqi Christians forced to flee by Islamist militants in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

Many fled Mosul after the Islamic State (IS) group which seized much of northern Iraq told them to convert to Islam, pay a tax or face death.

Iraq is home to one of the world's most ancient Christian communities.

Two top ministers said, "We are ready, if they so desire, to help facilitate asylum on our territory."

It was a joint message from Laurent Fabius and Bernard Cazeneuve, respectively foreign minister and interior minister in the Socialist government.

A senior Christian cleric in Iraq, Patriarch Louis Sako, estimated that before the advance of IS, Mosul had a Christian community of 35,000 - compared with 60,000 prior to 2003.

According to the UN, just 20 families from the ancient Christian minority now remain in the city, which Isis has taken as the capital of its Islamic state.

Islamic State was previously known as Isis (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant).

On Saturday, France's far right opposition party the National Front organised a rally in Paris in support of Iraqi Christians.






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Is History Repeating Itself?

By Abbey Mikha

            World War I as thought of as an Islamic Jihad and or a Christian Crusade is in essence very similar, but it involved diverse nations of differing historical background and from opposing regions of the world. Although the terms Jihad or Crusade had a religious connotation, the actual dealings, which occurred, by the Ottomans and the British were based on interests, benefits, strategy, and not necessarily religion. These religious ideas were used to rationalize war against a perceived enemy. The ordinary individual on both sides and his religious passions were sparked by these religious philosophies, which were used by their leaders to start conflict and continue it for the benefit of the heads of these empires. It is not the ordinary individual who benefited from war rather the planers and thinkers who use ordinary people to condition them to do their dirty work. History is repeating itself as ISIS is doing this today in Mosul, Iraq and other regions against the Assyrian Christians, the Indigenous people of Nineveh. It must be stated that ISIS itself is a tool in the hands of the same schemers who since 2003 until today have been terrorizing, displacing, and killing Assyrian Christians. One must ask the question of who is benefiting from these criminal acts and then we will know who is responsible.

During World War I Crusade meant a religious war and Jihad meant effort or struggle. A call to Jihad was made in Constantinople and another in Madina by Arabs. The leaders told the regular people that death or sacrifice for the cause would send them to paradise. In 1914 there were 270 million Muslims. 30 million governed by fellow Muslims. 100 million were British subjects. There were others in Chechnya. Those who opposed holy war were promised the fire of hell. This was to scare the ordinary religious individual. Call to Jihad was translated into Persian, Urdu, Arabic, and Tartar. Jihad was also proclaimed in Afghanistan and India. In Persia there was a call for Jihad by Shiites. Uganda, Congo, Sudan were also involved.   This was the most prominent instant of state sponsored Jihad, for the Ottomans knew that their empire was going to be destroyed unless they make their move. Jihad was seen as a German plan to weaken Britain and her allies at the time.

Enver Pasha the Ottoman Minister of War himself wondered, “Is holy war useful?” In other words how could the Ottomans use the notion of holy war! Jihad was an attempt by the Ottomans to supposedly unite the empire. One must note that history seems to be repeating itself here again because today the Prime Minister of Turkey Tayyip Ordogan and his Turkish Foreign Minister Daoud Oglo are the main players in the fighting of a dirty war in Syria and Iraq in order to selfishly retrieve gas and oil by manipulating many Islamic Jihadi groups in the region.

In regards to World War I in the Middle East and the Ottomans using the notion of holy war to unite the empire, one has to consider that there were many non-Turkish nations living under Ottoman tyranny who were also Christians such as the Assyrians, Armenians, and Greeks. If Jihad was going to strengthen the Ottoman Empire what was to become of its Christian inhabitants?

The British Empire had more Muslims living in it than the Ottoman Empire, but there was a religious crusade declared in Europe. The regular soldiers were told that the British army wanted to reclaim the Holy Land for Christendom and perhaps make Jerusalem the capital of the world. Throughout the 19th century the idea of crusade was associated with an act of public good, like crusading for a cause.

The idea of Crusade was not just restricted to the Middle East. Anglicans demonized Germany as anti-Christian and perhaps even pagan. This was their propaganda. Though Germany was a European country the British wanted to defeat the Germans because these peoples were of a different culture. The British tried to distance themselves from fighting a Muslim Empire but they did want to reclaim Constantinople supposedly for Christianity.

In March 1917 the British took Baghdad but the British proclaimed themselves as liberators rather than colonizers. Also, when Allenby entered Jerusalem he did so on foot rather than as a conqueror on a horse. For soldiers of the Middle East who relied on the Bible crusading was about Ottoman government not Islam. They wanted to free people from Ottoman rule not Islamic rule. Soldiers many times saw themselves as tourists. They were fascinated by Islamic culture and found this to be a once in a lifetime opportunity, a chance to see Egypt, tour the Christian Holy sights and Islamic architecture.   Most of the British soldiers were Protestants though and they did not feel a complete connection with the Christianity in the Holy Land. It is not what they expected. Perhaps here again history is repeating itself as the same sentiment can be seen in the reasoning for many if not most European, Canadian, American, and the larger English speaking community of the world today who do not feel a closeness and a need to stand up for the crimes against humanity which are being committed against the Assyrian Christians. We ask you on behalf of all the Assyrians suffering in the world. Open your eyes and hearts and help this ancient community, which is on the brink of extinction.

Conclusion

Religion is supposed to be about spirituality. Religion is about faith and it is for the individual not for nations to ruin the world through their understanding of religion. Faith is between you and God no one else. It was the leaders of the Ottoman and the British Empires who used the terms Jihad and Crusade to ignite in the ordinary individual the desire to go to war against another nation and other human beings of differing religions and cultures.

Lets give an example. Had World War I really been a Christian Crusade as was thought by some of the British soldiers, the British planers and thinkers would have aided the Assyrians Christians in the Hakkari region, of what is now south east Turkey, and not allowed them to be slaughtered and crucified by the Ottomans just for being Assyrians of a different and more ancient culture, language, and because they were ancient Christians.

Although the Assyrians were called Britain’s smallest ally the British only used them and made false promises for a homeland for the Assyrians. They abandoned them and were not faithful to their promises. Today history is repeating itself because the Assyrian Christians are asking from the world community the establishment of their own federal region in their ancestral homeland, but the world powers are giving their lands to the Kurdish occupiers who are originally not from this land, rather from nomadic areas such as Afghanistan and Mahabad Iran. The Kurds have lived in the area less than 200 years and they are definitely not indigenous to this land.

Jihad and Crusade during WWI had little to do with true religion, which is spirituality. Gandhi who was a product of British colonization said something interesting. He said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” These words give witness to British mannerism and their colonial wars. It was not about religion or spirituality and faith, rather it was about the interests of the few at the expense of the ordinary poor individual, human beings, and nations. Wars and conflicts are always between various sides that know each other well, and know what they want from their campaign or operation. The regular people who die, they don’t know why they are truly there and why they are dying.

Now a hundred years after World War I the Assyrian Christians are still suffering and being driven out of their ancestral homeland.  ISIS is a powerful gang who have taken advantage and created a strategy to gain control of an unstable Middle East. The Assyrian activists worldwide should realize that we have to be strong and diligent in speaking out about the events occuring in the homeland.  History repeats itself.  No one will give us our rights unless we ask for it and stand up for it.  It is very sad that basic human rights are not being afforded to the Assyrians Christians of the region. We need to have leaders that will work in the right direction and who wont be afraid to speak the truth and be faithful to the Sacred Assyrian Cause.

*All information from World War I in the Middle East class 2014

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