Irish are Really the Sons of Mil

Irish are not close descendants of the Celts, but are closest to the Basqies
"...One of the oldest texts composed in Ireland is the Leabhar Gabhla, the Book of Invasions. It tells a semi-mythical history of the waves of people who settled in Ireland in earliest time. It says the first settlers to arrive in Ireland were a small dark race called the Fir Bolg, followed by a magical super-race called the Tuatha de Danaan (the people of the goddess Dana).

Most interestingly, the book says that the group which then came to Ireland and fully established itself as rulers of the island were the Milesians - the sons of Mil, the soldier from Spain. Modern DNA research has actually confirmed that the Irish are close genetic relatives of the people of northern Spain...".
http://www.sott.net/article/263587-DNA-shows-Irish-people-have-more-complex-origins-than-previously-thought

It seems this combines facts with fiction and wishfull thinking. Of course are the irish close related with other western people. The main Y-DNA is R1b. The reason herefor is not sure. But most likely is, that it spread from a refugium in SW-Europe, where some human populations escaped to, during the LGM.  From here the repopulated western Europe. It is hard to believe, that the Irish did know about that far days.

There are several invasions to Ireland recorded. The first was those of Cessair, who came around the deluge. 300 years later came the second wave under Partholon, both from Spain. Both were descendents of Noah. they were followed by the people of nemed from Scythia, then the Fir Bolg and the Tuatha de danann. The last invasion is those of the Milesians from Spain. And of course let us not forget the Fomori.

It should be clear, that, if we want to combine a historical event with the deluge, it can only happen at the end of the LGM, when the glaciers melted away. It would be remarkable, if the medieval irish would remember those times. More likely is, that medieval scholars invented these biblical relations.

Nemed should arrive around 2000 BC from Scythia. Their name is already celtic. But their people died or left and ireland was deserted for long years.

The Fir Bolg followed. Some connect them with the Belgae. But the belgae didn't arrive in britain before the 2nd century BC and in ireland they arrived even later. Short after them arrived the Tuatha de danann, who were descendend of the nemeds. O'Reilly identifies them as Dumnonii.

Well, the last wave were the Milesians. They came from Spain, but their origin lay far back in Scythia and Egypt. That's what the chronics want to make us believe. If the Irish people would descent from them, the q-celtic would have come very late to Ireland. Archaeological records have not a single evidence for this. Who the Milesians were is hard to say. There was a spanish unit of the roman army in Britain. maybe some left to ireland. But maybe it is simply invented.

So it is true, that irish people are related with western people, but not especially with basques, but with all. These people came during the neolithicum. Celtic speaking people came later and not as mass migrations. It is difficult to find them by DNA research, because they as well came from mainly R1b areas. Celts are as well not a genetical group, but a linguistic or cultural group. Such people can't be identified with DNA tests.

Well, although I believe that although  the predominant tribal descent of the modern Irish is Celtic {probably from Iberia), since very early medieval times there's been a significant admixture of Viking and Anglo-Saxon-Norman.


Edited by Windemere - 24-Dec-2013 at 12:02

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Edited by beorna - 25-Dec-2013 at 06:25

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Vasku=sounds like personal name Vasko....Willl try all in Origins.

I found a map here: Statue menhirs found in a Sardinian wall

Originally posted by medenaywe Sorry language is out of science as i can see!

No, linguistic is not out of science. But just because two terms in two areas far away from each  sound similar, they don*t have to be related. I am from near Hannover, but it has neither to do with Han Chinese nor with the god Hanuman.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri I found a map here: Statue menhirs found in a Sardinian wall

megalith cultures in western and middle europe are older than 3200 BC

Further to my last post-The Book of Invasions or Lebor Gabala-has been dismissed as a collection of myths. Notwithstanding the fact that a person known as Mil Espania, Milesius or Mil Soldier of Spain is mentioned in historic texts, there is no evidence of him or his sons being in Ireland.

Sorry, I can't agree. We'll leave it at that.