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I've looked in several places, can't find anything.  I did find out that many darts were 2 piece.  A "foreshaft" which was usually 20-24 inches and made of hardwood.  This was hafted into a hollow cane shaft.  The cane shaft would have been "fletched" or feathered.
 
 
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Then, it seems, you have found what I have found, except for the "compound?" "Dart!", a feature I have never ascertained.

Of course "fletched" shafts were used until the era of "full metal Bolts!"

Can you now agree that this question is still under consideration?

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Only until I find what I was looking for.Big smile 
 
On someone hitting themselves in the head with a short shafted dart, I believe that could be called a "Darwinian Adjustment".
 
 
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Originally posted by toyomotor

From what I've read over the years, I believe that the word "Dart" was used for a short throwing spear, as opposed to the longer, heavier spear which was used to jab opponents.


Then would not that weapon be better described as a javelin?

But the word "dart" means sometimes as "quick" or "fast" etc. The speed of a Javelin could not be much greater than that of a spear, but the speed of a "dart" it seems would be much greater even must greater than that of a leveraged spear or javelin!

Thus, a solid metal "bolt" from a "crossbow", would effectively be the first "bullet!"

Can anyone deny this?

I will posit that after the small arrow (a Dart), fired from a crossbow, developed into a solid steel "bolt" that the terms/words to describe the projectile changed. It is probably only a translation problem, I.e. the distortion of time by chronologists and historians created a "void" that could not effectively be crossed, and that was related to word usage.

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Originally posted by opuslola

Originally posted by toyomotor

From what I've read over the years, I believe that the word "Dart" was used for a short throwing spear, as opposed to the longer, heavier spear which was used to jab opponents.


Then would not that weapon be better described as a javelin?

But the word "dart" means sometimes as "quick" or "fast" etc. The speed of a Javelin could not be much greater than that of a spear, but the speed of a "dart" it seems would be much greater even must greater than that of a leveraged spear or javelin!

Thus, a solid metal "bolt" from a "crossbow", would effectively be the first "bullet!"

Can anyone deny this?

I will posit that after the small arrow (a Dart), fired from a crossbow, developed into a solid steel "bolt" that the terms/words to describe the projectile changed. It is probably only a translation problem, I.e. the distortion of time by chronologists and historians created a "void" that could not effectively be crossed, and that was related to word usage.

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It was smaller than a Javelin.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Feb-2014 at 21:41
Originally posted by toyomotor

Originally posted by opuslola

Originally posted by toyomotor

From what I've read over the years, I believe that the word "Dart" was used for a short throwing spear, as opposed to the longer, heavier spear which was used to jab opponents.


Then would not that weapon be better described as a javelin?

But the word "dart" means sometimes as "quick" or "fast" etc. The speed of a Javelin could not be much greater than that of a spear, but the speed of a "dart" it seems would be much greater even must greater than that of a leveraged spear or javelin!

Thus, a solid metal "bolt" from a "crossbow", would effectively be the first "bullet!"

Can anyone deny this?

I will posit that after the small arrow (a Dart), fired from a crossbow, developed into a solid steel "bolt" that the terms/words to describe the projectile changed. It is probably only a translation problem, I.e. the distortion of time by chronologists and historians created a "void" that could not effectively be crossed, and that was related to word usage.

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It was smaller than a Javelin.


I agree, it just had to be smaller, thus a dart!

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Ron: 
You wrote "Whilst I am probably part Native American on both sides of my family."
 
Does that mean your parents are related?
 
You are from Mississippi aren't you?Wink


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Originally posted by toyomotor

Ron: 
You wrote "Whilst I am probably part Native American on both sides of my family."
 
Does that mean your parents are related?
 
You are from Mississippi aren't you?Wink
 
 
 
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Do you say "Look the window out?" or "Paint the house Red?" smile

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Originally posted by opuslola

Do you say "Look the window out?" or "Paint the house Red?" smile

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Yes, the almost lost; Dutch-English accent! Smile!

Actually the correct phrase should have been "Red up the house!", meaning clean it! Smile!
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 18:53
Originally posted by toyomotor

Ron: 
You wrote "Whilst I am probably part Native American on both sides of my family."

 

Does that mean your parents are related?

 

You are from Mississippi aren't you?Wink


Actually the last name "Garrett" was carried by both of my Grand Mothers! But, I am sure they were at least fourth cousins or more!
Smile! But, I see no reason you should use such innuendo as a disparaging remark. I know though that you meant no harm!

Prosit, Ron

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I think the conversation about Darts has come to a standstill.
 
How about we put it to bed.
 
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 20:33
Well then my friend Ian, then I would suppose that you will concede that I have beaten you? Laugh!

But, you should work on your Russian, or perhaps you know Polish better?

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