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Poll Question: does world is going to be more secure if yes/not what is the reason
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    Posted: 29-Sep-2013 at 19:16
ok let's take a look to the world . most of world's energy is come from middle east first things first

we have war in syria

israel-palestine long war

islamic movement in north africa

iraq is torning apart by ethnics  and shia vs sunni fights

arabian saudi have problem in royal family this big family maybe lead the county to civil war

iran have so many ethnics it's ok today but iran has also have so many enemy if any one of these enemies try to use the ethnics  as proxy war iran will torn apart

afghan nationalist and religionist   making race for being alter for afghan people in both case afghanistan is loser

pakistan india problem on keshmier  both have big army both have nuke . big boom

in central asia  the strongest country is uzbekistan in it's president (king) is 75 years old uzbekistan have islamic movment problem and the king dont have good heir  both of his dughters maybe fight for kingship of uzbekistan 

azerbijan armania long war and karabakh problem

putin's death !! if this happen russia will move for very dark age

russia and china race for central asia maybe lead both county to war

globalism make the countries vulnerable for spying and terrorist attack


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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2013 at 19:45
if we link the uzbekistan to azerbijan-armenia and from there to iraq and from iraq to syria this will make great effect's on oil and dollar's price ! this is just like a Ticking time bomb how we can make the world more secure !


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all this rattle over Syria is about arctic shelf, russians distract clumsy americans with Syria while slowly occupying arctic shelf, this is the game of russians even if they leave Syria, americans already in a crap, russians have higher position urging americans for Zugzwang, i never expected americans to be so powerless
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Zugzwang (German for "compulsion to move", pronounced [ˈtsuːktsvaŋ]) is a situation found usually in chess, but also in various other games, where one player is put at a disadvantage because he has to make a move when he would prefer to pass and make no move. The fact that the player must make a move means that his position will be significantly weaker than the hypothetical one in which it was his opponent's turn to move.

The term finds its formal definition in combinatorial game theory, where it specifically means that it directly changes the outcome of the game from a win to a loss. The term is used less precisely in games such as chess, i.e., the game theory definition is not necessarily used in chess (Berlekamp, Conway & Guy 1982:16), (Elkies 1996:136). For instance, it may be defined loosely as "a player to move cannot do anything without making an important concession" (van Perlo 2006:479). Putting the opponent in zugzwang is a common way to help the superior side win a game. In some cases it is necessary to make the win possible (Müller & Pajeken 2008:173).

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2013 at 10:35
Originally posted by Dazzarkel

all this rattle over Syria is about arctic shelf, russians distract clumsy americans with Syria while slowly occupying arctic shelf, this is the game of russians even if they leave Syria, americans already in a crap, russians have higher position urging americans for Zugzwang, i never expected americans to be so powerless
 
 
Well, your attempts at starting a flame war is what's clumsy.Evil Smile If you really knew anything about US politics ,  you would realise that the Pres. is a master Gamesman.  You don't survive and florish in Chicago ploitics by being a naieve dummy.  He's being challenged here at home by Right Wing extremists in the Republican party. He's also dealing with problems you could not begin to understand. 
But why is it? You read a few highly biased news reports, from questionable sources and think you know exactly what's going on in a political system you really know very little about. [But don't feel bad, half the US public doesn't understand exactly what's going on most of the time.]
 
You mentioned Chess.  The US could be likened to the Chessmaster that plays against 10-15 other players at once, moving from board to board.  And in modern international politics, nothing is ever quite how it seems, from the outside.
 
BTW- Most of the Arctic Shelf is already under an International Treaty.  Any agressive moves in that region would provoke an international response, not just from the US.  I don't believe Russia is willing to risk an armed conflict over Arctic Wastes that could melt out in the next 20 years.  Putin, like Obama, has many more pressing and more important issues to deal with.
 
 
BTW Welcome aboard.  I always enjoy crossing swords on international politics.  Gets the juices flowing.Big smile
 
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2013 at 11:13
Originally posted by yomud

if we link the uzbekistan to azerbijan-armenia and from there to iraq and from iraq to syria this will make great effect's on oil and dollar's price ! this is just like a Ticking time bomb how we can make the world more secure !
 
 
Yomud,  from an historical aspect, all that you've mentioned isn't anything really new.  The countries involved and some names have changed.  But from the perspective of someone who has lived through the Cold War, the more things change, the more they stay the same.Wink
 
 
 
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No - we're moving into another cycle of expansionism featuring Russia and Chine in addition to the jihad being conducted worldwide by radical Muslim elements, and this time America is too tired and too broke to stop it, and the rest of the world is too apathetic and complacent to defend themselves until it is too late.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2013 at 11:26
Don't bet on it.  To me, it so0unds like a bad case of "opti-rectumitis".Big smile There's alot of it going around lately.
 
It's when the optic nerve gets tangled up with the large intestine, producing a S***y outlook.
 
 
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Oct-2013 at 10:17
No...it's a clear case of a realistic outlook trumping all of the propaganda spewing forth from governments everywhere.

Optimists throughout history have gotten huge numbers of people killed by failing to recognize reality when they see it.

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  Quote Dazzarkel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Oct-2013 at 12:08
you advocating the system, i see you're glad that system won over native syrian folk,what difference between system that massacred religious people in soviet union and syrian despotic system contributing massacre christians  with hands of al-kaida,no difference...also  no difference between iranian-american -russian-china-syria-north korean systems where native folks are in crap only syrian folk among them is most conspicuous

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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2013 at 07:31
Originally posted by Dazzarkel

i never expected americans to be so powerless


well the last time i remember it was soviet that collapse not usa . it's normal for every country to face hard time economy after some years i will be fix all the important is not to lose your ground !! all ex soviet countries want to make close tide with americans and get away from russians i think russians are far weaker than americans and syria ' syria is not usa ally it's russia's ally so it is the russian who are on weaker possionts how many ally left for russians ? they lost all East europe and now they try to stop ukrain armenia and azerbijan to join western countries in the meantime they are losing their control on turkistan to china . americans have weaker leadership than time of cold war i give u that but it doesn't mean they are weakening

Originally posted by Dazzarkel

you advocating the system, i see you're glad that system won over native syrian folk,what difference between system that massacred religious people in soviet union and syrian despotic system contributing massacre christians  with hands of al-kaida,no difference...also  no difference between iranian-american -russian-china-syria-north korean systems where native folks are in crap only syrian folk among them is most conspicuous



oh plz don't do this on this page  . i dont remember in any time the american make similar camp like Gulag  .


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england france and germany they were enemy in past and they make ww1 and ww2 but now they live in pace they work together if they can do this why in middle east people can't here people all work against each other they forgot they can spend the money to have better life rather than making war and buying weapon


the 2 thing is basic reason of war here

1 unsettled things after fall of major power . after fall of ottoman and soviet so many thing remain unsettled so new independent country have so many problem with each other
2 government propaganda
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2013 at 09:03
First of all, I am the one who is not sure

Secondly, you are looking very pessimistic

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*World doesn't change as fast as young people wish

*Not all bad things are pure bad, not all good things are pure good

*If topic is about humans, it has simple explanation

Originally posted by yomud


we have war in syria

iraq is torning apart by ethnics  and shia vs sunni fights 
 

These countries don't have normal borders. The borders of middle east were drawn by UK and France so there is no local opinions

Even Europe after two great war which made all world a battlefield, they(big brothers in Europe) solved many border issue but still they have problems; Falkland, Gibralter, Bretons, Basque, Catalans  
 
Originally posted by yomud


israel-palestine long war

Countries of Europe solved what they did during the WW2 by doing another Holocoust against another nations(Nakba)

Originally posted by yomud

islamic movement in north africa

Two samples

Turkey-Hrant Dink: Killed Reporter 
Greece-Pavlos Fissas:Killed Musician

One of these countries is not well known with human right, the other one is home of democracy and more then 30 years in EU, but results are same  

Originally posted by yomud

afghan nationalist and religionist   making race for being alter for afghan people in both case afghanistan is loser

Similar with racist European parties which race for being ruling party









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always an issue worldwide.

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When one gets into the OIL WARS, maybe some one should mention that the USA has more oil/natural gas reserves than any area of the world, but we, would rather continue to import Oil from counties which hate us!

Part of this problem is due to our current president and a past Vice President!

Look you guys, "Climate Change" is a real "HISTORICAL" event! It will happen again, and again! Do not blame modern man for producing these weather problems. Just whom was blamed for the numerous mass destructions of the past seemingly caused by the weather? HUH?

It seems that in the 1970's there were "doom and gloom" experts who actually predicted a "NEW ICE AGE" in action by the year 2014!!!!!

Oh! By the way, they are back again!

HA!, HA!

OH! It looks like the Ice Caps, at both of our poles is either about normal or above it! The Polar Bears are safe it seems to kill seals, ravage garbage dumps, etc., for another year! God bless us all!

Please see this!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/09/global-cooling-arctic-ice-cap-60-percent-bigger-than-last-yearbut-some-say-its-irrelevant/

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Originally posted by red clay

Originally posted by yomud

if we link the uzbekistan to azerbijan-armenia and from there to iraq and from iraq to syria this will make great effect's on oil and dollar's price ! this is just like a <SPAN id=result_ lang=en ="short_text"><SPAN ="hps">Ticking time bomb how we can make the world more secure !</SPAN></SPAN>


 
 

Yomud,  from an historical aspect, all that you've mentioned isn't anything really new.  The countries involved and some names have changed.  But from the perspective of someone who has lived through the Cold War, the more things change, the more they stay the same.Wink

 

 

 


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My post was to agree with red clay, in that those of us born in post WW2 years have seen it all before. Spotfires ignite here and there, and are then extinguished. Some countries restructure and overcome both internal and external problems, others will never come to terms with history, be it religious or political. Mikhail Gorbachev coined a word, "Glasnost" to describe a new era of openness, a big step for Russia at the time. It is this openness in the Information Age that permits us a better insight to how political leaders think and why they act on certain issues. Who could ever imagined fifty years ago that the US would openly admit to spying on not only adversaries, but also allies. The wheel turns slowly, but it turns with certainty.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 18:44
Since I worked for the U.S Government for 28 years, I think I can project some information!

Governmental departments all try to spend as much money as possible each and every year! Note, if they did not spend at least as much budgeted they would get their budget cut the next year.

So, the leaders and shakers would spend vast sums upon stupid things.

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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2014 at 18:53
Originally posted by red clay

Don't bet on it.  To me, it so0unds like a bad case of "opti-rectumitis".Big smile There's alot of it going around lately.
 

It's when the optic nerve gets tangled up with the large intestine, producing a S***y outlook.

 

 


Yep, and the operation required to separate the optic nerve from the large intestine is called an Optrectomy.
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