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    Posted: 28-Sep-2013 at 03:19
So I often hear religious people blaming the scientific community for the bias and negativity we currently see. But this article clearly explains that historically, Catholics were the intellectual leaders of Europe. What do you guys think? Who's to blame and how can history prove otherwise?Excerpt:"What puzzles me is that Christianity was at the forefront of this movement; to be Christian in Medieval Europe was to be literate and learned, of a polite and gentleman-like persuasion. This philosophy was most highly exemplified by the nobility and religious scholastic thinkers of the time, of which many are still greatly revered today for their faith and simultaneous thirst for knowledge of the natural world. So what happened?"
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Being literate and learned back in those days meant reading the received wisdom of others, being able to quote from the authors, and being able to discuss or philosophize without challenging the accepted traditions. Being intellectual was fine, just as long as you didn't think about anything new.

It was after the scientific investigations started to show that the received wisdom could be faulty, and the emerging idea of independent thinking began to debate on whether the past authors were worth quoting anymore, that religion lost its dogmatic respect as the source of knowledge, and religious authority went on the defensive.

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What a great response Sidney! I remain impressed!

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Originally posted by Sidney

Being literate and learned back in those days meant reading the received wisdom of others, being able to quote from the authors, and being able to discuss or philosophize without challenging the accepted traditions. Being intellectual was fine, just as long as you didn't think about anything new.

It was after the scientific investigations started to show that the received wisdom could be faulty, and the emerging idea of independent thinking began to debate on whether the past authors were worth quoting anymore, that religion lost its dogmatic respect as the source of knowledge, and religious authority went on the defensive.


Actually the exact opposite. In Medieval times scientific experimentation was encouraged by the church, monks like Roger Bacon were celebrated scientists and new knowledge highly sought after. It wasn't till the Renaissance that the church got a shirty about science. 
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Religion opposes science when its own teachings and conclusions (dogma) are challenged by science. For instance, Galileo, and later Copernicus proposing that the earth revolves around the sun. But religion and science are both approaches investigating one reality. Religion leads with a new way of understanding, and later as the society develops under its influence, science expands. But the society and the leaders of the religion become dogmatic and inflexible in time, opposing science that challenges their world view. This spiritual "winter" is then challenged and eventually broken by a new revelation. Look at the Muslim religion and the huge effect it had on the world (for instance Algebra, and the Arabic numeral system that we use. Imagine using Roman numerals for arithmetic). But more recently we see the radical opposition from some religious leaders towards "the science of the west" even to the point of violently opposing health vaccination programs to prevent diseases like polio. Just as Christianity had its "dark ages", so has Islam. Often what is needed is to read the Writings of religions with an understanding that they are written in metaphors and symbolic stories to aid comprehension of the people in the time in which they were written about metaphysical realities.
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