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    Posted: 16-Nov-2013 at 22:45
Please consider most all of these future weather predictions via computer analysis, as mostly BS! These idiots love to scare the mind numb populace and receive more attention than they deserve.

Please learn to look at some relatively responsible web-sites that accurately tell of the ice cover in the world. Thus it seems that the ice cover in the Antarctic have increased over the last few years and for a while, at least, the cover over the Artic seemed to be shrinking, but it now seems the Artic is recovering its ice cap at a good rate.

Do not be afraid, that is what our "Green enemies", like Al Gore, want!

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"polar bear are going to die"

but think of how many seals they've killed, there's blood on them paws.
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2013 at 09:58
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"polar bear are going to die"

but think of how many seals they've killed, there's blood on them paws.


but think of how many fish and penguiens survive just because of polar bear  Big smilehttp://gallery.photo.net/photo/4512965-md.jpg


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Originally posted by Toltec

"polar bear are going to die"

but think of how many seals they've killed, there's blood on them paws.


but think of how many fish and penguiens survive just because of polar bear  Big smilehttp://gallery.photo.net/photo/4512965-md.jpg

I think maybe that the polar bear and penguin are of different hemispheres.
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2013 at 12:16
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I think maybe that the polar bear and penguin are of different hemispheres.


Embarrassed, nothing can escape from your eyes Clap. However same mentality is still on. Polar bears keep stable the number of some minor carnivores which helps some other species
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Nov-2013 at 13:58
Originally posted by opuslola

Please consider most all of these future weather predictions via computer analysis, as mostly BS! These idiots love to scare the mind numb populace and receive more attention than they deserve.

Please learn to look at some relatively responsible web-sites that accurately tell of the ice cover in the world. Thus it seems that the ice cover in the Antarctic have increased over the last few years and for a while, at least, the cover over the Artic seemed to be shrinking, but it now seems the Artic is recovering its ice cap at a good rate.

Do not be afraid, that is what our "Green enemies", like Al Gore, want!

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You can ignore the reality if you wish.  But the fact remains, that the Artic Ice cap and the Greenland IC are retreating. We have lost more ice in the last 20 years than in the past 1000.
 
Greenlands climate has changed so drastically that they can now grow enough food to export.
 
In 10-15 years, there will not be any Glaciers in Glacier National Park.
 
To ignore global climate change just because you do not happen to like the people who are warning you, well.....Hope your home is on very high stilts.
 
My problem with Gore is that he has the cause wrong.  Yes, man is contributing to the problem, but isn't the cause.  Planetary Precession is the cause.  The Earth's wobble is taking the Northern Hemisphere closer to the Sun. This process takes 26,000 years to complete a circuit.  Both the Mayans and the Hindu knew of this.  Hence the length of their "Ages".
In short, It's not us, and nothing we do will change the pattern.  We will have to adapt and adjust.
 
But, ignoring it as just an ivention of political opportunists is even more dangerous.  Some folks on the Gulf Coast are a great example of total denial.  "The Gulf isn't rising, the Landmass is sinking". Huh!!!?
 
  
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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Nov-2013 at 14:24
opuslola, I think you may find that the error was one of topography and not data. Admittedly those making the error shame facedly kept quiet obout their error. Now those great increase when adjustment are made in line with data may not actually show a wholesale reversal, but generally mundane fluctuation weather patterns are famous for.
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Embarrassed, nothing can escape from your eyes Clap. However same mentality is still on. Polar bears keep stable the number of some minor carnivores which helps some other species
Yep, Ollios, the balance of nature, and I agree that may well be true in regards with the polar bears, even though there are no more than about twenty to twenty-two thousand living in the wild living over vast areas.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Nov-2013 at 22:37
My dear Red, you wrote these words; "Greenlands climate has changed so drastically that they can now grow enough food to export" LOL

Can you provide the source of this information, as well as the current population of Greenland? And just how would this "wonderful" information co-relate with the times of the Viking settlements?

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2013 at 13:07
The current population of Greenland is approx. 57,000, mostly Inuit.  I have no idea what you mean by "co-relate with times of Viking settlements".
Up until 8-10 years ago the agriculture in Greenland was subsistance level, and barely that.
 
This article is a year old, but there are other articles if you feel so inclined to google.
 
 

Tomatoes, peppers, strawberries in Greenland's Arctic valleys

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KANGERLUSSUAQ, Greenland (Reuters) - On the Arctic Circle, a chef is growing the kind of vegetables and herbs - potatoes, thyme, tomatoes, green peppers - more fitting for a suburban garden in a temperate zone than a land of Northern Lights, glaciers and musk oxen.

Some Inuit hunters are finding reindeer fatter than ever thanks to more grazing on this frozen tundra, and for some, there is no longer a need to trek hours to find wild herbs.

Welcome to climate change in Greenland, where locals say longer and warmer summers mean the country can grow the kind of crops unheard of years ago.

"Things are just growing quicker," said Kim Ernst, the Danish chef of Roklubben restaurant, nestled by a frozen lake near a former Cold War-era U.S. military base.

"Every year we try new things," said Ernst, who even managed to grow a handful of strawberries that he served to some surprised Scandinavian royals. "I first came here in 1999 and no-one would have dreamed of doing this. But now the summer days seem warmer, and longer."

It was minus 20 degrees Centigrade in March but the sun was out and the air was still, with an almost spring feel. Ernst showed his greenhouse and an outdoor winter garden which in a few months may sprout again.

Hundreds of miles south, some farmers now produce hay, and sheep farms have increased in size. Some supermarkets in the capital Nuuk sell locally grown vegetables during the summer.

Major commercial crop production is still in its infancy. But it is a sign of changes here that Greenland's government set up a commission this year to study how a changing climate may help farmers increase agricultural production and replace expensive imported foods.

Change is already underway. Potatoes grown commercially in southern Greenland reached over 100 metric tons in 2012, double that of 2008. Vegetable production in the region may double this year compared with 2012, according to government data.

Some politicians hope global warming will allow this country a quarter the size of the United States to reduce its dependency on former colonial master Denmark for much of its food as political parties push for full independence.

Greenland, which is self-governing aside from defense and security, depends on an annual grant from Denmark of around $600 million, or half the island's annual budget. But the thawing of its enormous ice sheets have seen a boost in mining and oil exploration, as well as an interest in agriculture.

"I expect a lot of development in farming sheep and agriculture due to global warming," said Prime Minister Kuupik Kleist, whose government set up the commission. "It may become an important supplement to our economy."

Locals love recounting how Erik the Red first arrived in the southern fjords here in the 10th century and labeled this ice-covered island "Greenland" to entice others to settle. There is evidence that the climate was warmer then, allowing Viking settlements to grow crops for five centuries before mysteriously dying out.

FROM COWS TO CROPS

The scale of this new agriculture is tiny. There are just a few dozen sheep farms in southern Greenland, where most of the impact of climate change can be seen. Cows may number less than a hundred. But with 57,000 mostly Inuit human inhabitants, the numbers to feed are also small.

"You need to put this into perspective. We used to be high Arctic and now we are more sub Arctic," Kenneth Hoegh, an agronomist and former senior government advisor. "But we are still Arctic."

The symbolism is enormous, however, highlighting a changing global climate that has seen temperatures in the Arctic increase by about twice the global average - about 0.8 degrees Celsius since pre-industrial times.

"There are now huge areas in southern Greenland where you can grow things," said Josephine Nymand, a scientist at the Greenland Institute of Natural Resources in Nuuk. "Potatoes have most benefited. Also, cabbage has been very successful."

Sten Erik Langstrup Pedersen, who runs an organic farm in a fjord near Nuuk, first grew potatoes in 1976. Now he can plant crops two weeks earlier in May and harvest three weeks later in October compared with more than a decade ago.

He grows 23 kinds of vegetables, compared with 15 a decade ago, including beans, peas, herbs and strawberries. He says he has sold some strawberries to top restaurants in Copenhagen.

But Pedersen is skeptical about how much it will catch on.

"Greenlanders are impatient. They see a seal and they immediately just want to hunt it. They can never wait for vegetables to grow."

There is still potential. Hoegh estimates Greenland could provide half its food needs from home-grown produce which would be competitive with more expensive Danish imports.

But global change is not all about benefits. While summers are warmer, there is less rain. Some experts say that Greenland could soon need irrigation works - ironic for a country of ice and lakes.

"We have had dry summers for the last few years." said Aqqalooraq Frederiksen, a senior agricultural consultant in south Greenland, who said a late spring last year hurt potato crops.

On the Arctic circle, a flash flood last summer from suspected glacier melt water - which some locals here blamed on warm weather - swept away the only bridge connecting Ernst's restaurant to the airport. It came right in the middle of the tourist season, and the restaurant lost thousands of dollars.

It was an ominous reminder that global warming will bring its problems. Still, for Pedersen and his fjord in Nuuk, the future looks good.

"The hotter, the better," Pedersen said. "For me."

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Thousands of species become extinct every year.  It's nature's way.

oh cmon nature's way or human way ?Ouch !!! your telling me one day all life on earth (including us ) will end ??


No.  Some species survive and adapt while others evolve into existence.

See any dinosaurs in your neighborhood?  No?  But here you are, and you weren't here back then. 

Life is a continuum, with species dying out every day and being replaced by others better suited to current conditions.

However, EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY DIES, including us.  No species is immortal, nor irreplacable, especially not homo sapiens.

And yes - eventually all life on Earth will die.  Everything is finite, including Life.  The only question is by what means. 
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Nov-2013 at 17:28
Originally posted by Toltec

"polar bear are going to die"

but think of how many seals they've killed, there's blood on them paws.
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Nov-2013 at 17:41
Originally posted by Mountain Man

See any dinosaurs in your neighborhood?  No?
  except  red's avatar no Big smile


Originally posted by Mountain Man

Life is a continuum, with species dying out every day and being replaced by others better suited to current conditions
  tell me more about "being replaced by others" ok for moment think bears are gone what will take it's place . we know earth does not produce new animals we what will take the empty place ? Shocked



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as ollios told us we will have fewer water in middle east but northmens will have more this means every one will want to live in northland !!! in other means we will be .......ed  ! could we just avoid all this by declining population growth huh ? less child better life huh ?Smile


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Yomud, it is a fact that 97% of all species that inhabitated the earth have gone extinct.  However just a look around will tell you that not all life has been affected.
 
With as many species as we now have, this should tell you how diverse and abundant life has been on this rock. 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2013 at 09:59
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as ollios told us we will have fewer water in middle east but northmens will have more this means every one will want to live in northland !!! in other means we will be .......ed  ! could we just avoid all this by declining population growth huh ? less child better life huh ?Smile
 
 
We could avoid much of this with a smaller global pop.  But that's not likely to happen voluntarily.  Not wishing to sound like a gloom and doomer, but being a realist as well as a naturalist, it could happen involuntarily.
We have painted ourselves into a corner.  With the pop. at it's present level, it wouldn't take but a climatic hiccup to send us over the edge.  We are barely able to feed ourselves now.  Even a minor disruption in crop production could be disastrous.
 
Something like the event in 1816, "The year without a summer" could trigger world wide famine.
 
 
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as ollios told us we will have fewer water in middle east but northmens will have more this means every one will want to live in northland !!! in other means we will be .......ed  ! could we just avoid all this by declining population growth huh ? less child better life huh ?Smile
 
 
We could avoid much of this with a smaller global pop.  But that's not likely to happen voluntarily.  Not wishing to sound like a gloom and doomer, but being a realist as well as a naturalist, it could happen involuntarily.
We have painted ourselves into a corner.  With the pop. at it's present level, it wouldn't take but a climatic hiccup to send us over the edge.  We are barely able to feed ourselves now.  Even a minor disruption in crop production could be disastrous.
 
Something like the event in 1816, "The year without a summer" could trigger world wide famine.
 
 
omg "Year Without a Summer " was really terrible it is the first time i hearing this ! ty red every day i learn alot of things from you


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There has been Ice Ages and Little Ice Ages, maybe hundreds of times! Things like this are not "abnormal" but "Normal" for our planet.

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There has been Ice Ages and Little Ice Ages, maybe hundreds of times! Things like this are not "abnormal" but "Normal" for our planet.

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True, the last little ice age came after a period called the "Medieval Warming".  The climate was stable and unusually warm.  The population of Europe increased far beyond the ability to feed itself under normal growing conditions.  Along came the little ice age and bam.  This is believed to have set up the conditions for the Plague.
 
And one of those involuntary population reductions. 
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There has been Ice Ages and Little Ice Ages, maybe hundreds of times! Things like this are not "abnormal" but "Normal" for our planet. Regards, Ron


 
 

True, the last little ice age came after a period called the "Medieval Warming".  The climate was stable and unusually warm.  The population of Europe increased far beyond the ability to feed itself under normal growing conditions.  Along came the little ice age and bam.  This is believed to have set up the conditions for the Plague.

 

And one of those involuntary population reductions. 


Yes like the Great Flu Pandemic of 1917-18!

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