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    Posted: 23-Aug-2013 at 05:14
I had known that there wasn't face of Muhammed in art until the last night

Muhammed in art which I am used to see like these
 
even we can't see his mother's face

 


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İn West

Has he got fair colour mustache?                       with Devil  (European mediveal perspective about him)               




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Interestingly, most of these drawings are Persian. I guess it makes sense since the Shia don't mind drawing the face of Muhammad.
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Originally posted by Baal Melqart


Interestingly, most of these drawings are Persian. I guess it makes sense since the Shia don't mind drawing the face of Muhammad.

Yes, it is interesting, the West just know that Shias (Iran) totally extreme radical islamist (women headscarf and about alcohol)

but

*3 times pray instead of 5 times

*My dad was told me after his visit in Tebriz, there wasn't to many minaret in there

*and this art perspective
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So why the violent Muslim reaction to anyone attempting to draw a likeness of Mohammed, which is allegedly punishable by death?

Edited by Mountain Man - 23-Aug-2013 at 12:14
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Originally posted by Mountain Man

So why the violent Muslim reaction to anyone attempting to draw a likeness of Mohammed, which is allegedly punishable by death?



It is seen as mockery, which is punishable by death, both in Sunni and Shia law.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man

So why the violent Muslim reaction to anyone attempting to draw a likeness of Mohammed, which is allegedly punishable by death?

First of all, I told that this is not something I knew before. As Baal said mostly Persian culture drew Muhammed, so it is still extreme situation in general Muslim word.
 
Violent muslim reaction? Are you mentioning about Cartoon Crisis which can be clearly think as a hate speech for me?

Islam grew up pagan territories and not just it. It started in the holiest place of arab paganizm: Mecce, the center of old arab gods. So destroing old cult figure was an important act and even Abraham broke the cult figures in his period. Figure of prophet or god means paganism.

also statue of human prophet figure can also effect god. 
Example: we don't have a phrase like "Muhammed help/save me" but there is "Jesus help/save me" in Christianity. All prays do directly towards the God in Islam. 

In my opinion, because of this Islam banned prophet image.  

"which is allegedly punishable by death?" I am passing this as a guy who lived in a country which banned the supreme punishment
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All in all quite lovely art work. The Prophet is well represented and appears benign and distinguished in appearance. Debatable as later events might show.

As to the concerns of the Islamic community in whether it's acceptable or not?

Matters little to me.... while their 'radicalists' continue burning churches and purging Christians and others from their respective societies.
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Originally posted by Baal Melqart

Originally posted by Mountain Man

So why the violent Muslim reaction to anyone attempting to draw a likeness of Mohammed, which is allegedly punishable by death?



It is seen as mockery, which is punishable by death, both in Sunni and Shia law.





Then these paintings are also seen as mockeries?  That would make viewing them also punishable by death, right?

How does this differ from any other image of Mohammed?
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

As to the concerns of the Islamic community in whether it's acceptable or not? 

No, it is not acceptable in general. However Alevis in Turkey(10-15 million) and I think all Shias love to use Ali(Muhammed's daughter in law and the fourth caliph also the reason of Sunni-Shia conflict) posters but not Muhammed

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis


Matters little to me.... while their 'radicalists' continue burning churches and purging Christians and others from their respective societies.

Will you care if they don't buring church?  LOL

Burning church in Middle East or protesting mosque building in West is same sh*t. It always like it and will stay like it for me. 

When you said this, you should know that a guy in Middle East will say like this "burning churches in Egypt matters little to me ... while they are not allowing mosque or they are occuping Palestine terrority. 

When you and this imaginary guy from Middle East start to think differently, the world be change.






 
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