Did the Sumerians originate in the Aryan zone?

I think I read something a while back which suggested linguistically speaking Hungarian has more in common with the Sumerian language than any other, though how this has happened might be more of a mystery.

Originally posted by Ollios Can you share your source about Sumerians and classifing Afghanian?

Originally posted by mojobadshah Originally posted by Ollios Can you share your source about Sumerians and classifing Afghanian? "Races of Europe" by C.S. Coon

Or as an alternative are you in reference to the PIE of the Caspian Steppe.

As there is competing evidence from their lit to suggest that the Sumerians were from ancient Dilmun.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1192


http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sumer.htm


www.antropologia.uw.edu.pl/SHA/sha-04-07.pdf‎




Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 11-Jul-2013 at 14:06

Originally posted by mojobadshah But look at this also: http://azargoshnasp.net/recent_history/pan_turkist_philosophy/sumd/sumerianPIE.htm

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Originally posted by mojobadshah Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Define Aryan zone or homeland. Is this the same alleged by the Kurgan Hypo. viz proto Indo-Aryans. Into the NW Indian sub. Aryan zone could have two meanings.  Either the Irano-Afghan zone otherwise known as Greater Iran (I prefer Aryan to Iran or Iranic because I believe its more inclusive of all the Iranic speaking peoples) or it could mean Indo-European zone.  In regards to the Sumerian highland homeland origin I think it would be more precise to use Aryan zone in the restricted Irano-Afghan sense, but of course the Irano-Afghans are Indo-Europeans.   However, wasn't Bahrain or Dilmun originally settled by Aryans (Irano-Afghans)? And therein lies the problem. Multiple definitions many based merely on linguistics or solely on archaeology.... but rarely both. My intent is not to be argumentative for it's sole sake. But the question of the Sumerian ancient lineage has been debated for nearly a century and a half. My recommendation is look at my last link for an overview...and then seek the answer thru an examination of sources that support their location based on more than linguistics. As DNA is not an acceptable sole source of identification. Cant be... merely because migration occurred on a regular basis..even if only among small groups..during the proto IE expansion into Indo-European eras; resulting in intermixture of types and subs. best CV

That's as good a theory as any. Not much perse on the ethnic history of Bahrain other then the usual current or more modern Arabic based etc. Which then asks the question which version or variation of Arabic, or mixed with Persian, do you want to believe sprung from PIE and Proto Indo Aryan....to form what your calling Irano-Afghan.

The same can be said of ancient Dilmun. And where they come from then is based on the version you want to accept.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 12-Jul-2013 at 03:43

Could be anything that's the problem. Might have been Indo Aryans from the sub but it also might have been remnants of proto IE's from South Asia by way of central.

And that is why we have a rush to judgement to either use a single form of proof.... often times..... Linguistics or DNA or archaeo-anthro alone. Often times because the culture in question can not be examined from a multi disciplinary perspective.

The best of all worlds but rarely found is when we can find two or more in concert to examine.

Didn't any of you even read the 2 Dilmuns topic in this forum a month ago. There was good evidence for Dilmun of trade being in Shatt-el-Arab/Sealands/Marsh area not Bahrein, and that Dilmun of Gilgamesh was not Bahrein but probably in Ararat area.

JR Baker book 'Race' also mentions about the Afghanian/"protoArab" like Coon's. His conculsions were that Sumerians were 2 groups of [Combe-]Capelid and Mediterranean (as were Sialk and Mohenjo-Daro). The Mediterranean may be the dark Admu of Sumerian/Akkadian? It is also reckoned that Sumerians resemble Kurds who are claimed to be like proto-Nordic. Some sources also mention some brachycephalic /Turanians/ Alpinids/Armenoids.

Some connect Sumerian with Caucasian/Subarian/Hurrian group.

Sumerian has also/alternatively been conected with Dravidian (language &/or race?)


Sumerian language has been compared with Turanian/Ural-Altaic. Some scholars (Hrozny, Waddell, Myatt, etc) also claim Indo-European/Aryan connections.


There are various possible language words correspondences, some certain, some not.
Sumerian zi-ana "spirit of heaven" = Chinese Tien.
Sumerian zi-mu(um)/zikum = Chinese Timu.
Sumerian Tab = english two.
sumerian lu(p) = Aryan leute/laos/lay
Sumerian gu(d) "bull" = Aryan cow/go/gauh.
Sumerian sos(oi) = Aryan six(ty)?
Sumerian dingir = Biblical shin(g)ar?
Sumerian dingir = Turanian Tengri?
Sumerian (t)sir "serpent" = Aryan serpent?
Sumerian anu/ilu = Hebrew el?

Ragozin mentioned Chinese bottles found at Nippur.

Bible is the key to all history. Bible says Sumerians (thought by some to be Shinar) from Nimrod son of Cush son of Ham. There used to be a Cushite origin theory. [May sort-of agree with Afrocentrists.] (Though some think Sumer = Shem, or Gomer/Cimmerian = Sumerian? and/or though there are also the Chaldeans/Kasdim/Pekod.)
Nimrod = Ninurta (&/or Ningirsu/Nimirud)?
Nachash = Ningish.zida?

Sumerians were Capelids.
Nimrod was a giant and hunter.
CroMagnons were tall and hunters.

Alford/Sitchin/Rohl & Berosus/kinglists & Bible seem to agree that earliest Sumerian cities developed from gulf/south to north (line roughly from Eridu to Babylon). [Similar to Tiahuanaco/Atlantis.]
"Enoch/Irad" may be Eridu, Babel may be Eridu or Badtabira, Erech may be Uruk or Larak. (Shinar may be Senkereh/Larsa or Sumer or Dingir?)

Japheth/north, Shem/middle, Ham/south
Enlil/north , Anu/centre, Ea/Enki/south
[Tur, Salm/Sayrima, Iraj?]

Many orthodox sources agree that the earliest origin place of culture was in the syria/ararat/armenia/assyria/n.w.iran crescent area just like Bible says.

The ziggurats are connected with Tower of Babel?
Tho some say the ziggurats orientation/alignment to north-east may indicate Sumerians from Aralu in n.e.?

Has 'Sharrukin' gone missing again?



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 14-Jul-2013 at 07:36