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Scourge of God
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Topic: Were the byzantines still imperialistic in the middleages? Posted: 13-May-2005 at 02:14 |
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It's a question that's been bugging me for a while now. I know that the byzantines were the last descendents of the romans but how long did they keep the roman system of laws and government procedures in use? And what were their armies like, did they still have legionairies in them? I never get any information on it so i'd like to know.
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 11:25 |
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I believe the Bynzatines still did use ROman law but they no longer had Roman legions. Most of their armies were hired Germanic and later Russians and Slavs. It was still a powerful force, however it was nowhere near that of old Rome.
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Posted: 14-May-2005 at 12:57 |
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Imperialistic? Could you clarify what you mean by that?
If by imperialistic you mean actively seeking to project one's power,
then yes, the Byzantines were imperialistic until the end of the
Macedonian dynasty. The Byzantines were mostly defensive-minded, but
were known to invade other lands. After the end of the Macedonian
dynasty, the Byzantines fought to defend what they still had and tried,
from time to time, to recover what they had lost.
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Posted: 15-May-2005 at 01:06 |
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were there any knights and castles in the byzantine empire?
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Posted: 15-May-2005 at 06:51 |
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Castles, of course, they had to use fortifications just like everyone else.
And knights, if you mean by this European heavy cavalry with noble status, then yes, there were several Frankish and Norman mercenaries in Byzantine service. Not that they couldn't field their own cavalry, there was the cataphracts, heavy cavalry, and the klibanophoros, even heavier cavalry.
As for being imperialistic, I certainly haven't heard of any empire that wasn't.
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Posted: 15-May-2005 at 09:04 |
Originally posted by Reginmund
Castles, of course, they had to use fortifications just like everyone else.
And knights, if you mean by this European heavy cavalry with noble status, then yes, there were several Frankish and Norman mercenaries in Byzantine service. Not that they couldn't field their own cavalry, there was the cataphracts, heavy cavalry, and the klibanophoros, even heavier cavalry.
As for being imperialistic, I certainly haven't heard of any empire that wasn't. |
I have never heard that byzantines had knights?!
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Posted: 15-May-2005 at 15:42 |
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Well, they hired Norman and Frankish knights, there is nothing controversial about this.
In fact, the Byzantine army defeated by Alp Arslan in 1071 had a contigent of Frankish knights under the command of one Roussell de Ballioul, or something like that. He was apparently a bit cleverer than the rest; when he realized their impending doom at the hands of the Turks he deserted.
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Posted: 17-May-2005 at 05:55 |
Originally posted by Scourge of God
I know that the byzantines were the last descendents of the romans but how long did they keep the roman system of laws and government procedures in use? |
Basically, the basic principles of Roman law both from the Republican and Imperial age, were continued right up until the final demise of the Byzantine Empire, of course not without major modifications being made.
The two major collections and codifications of earlier Roman law were made under Theodosius II (438) and Justinian ( 529). The Codex Justitianus was translated into Greek in the 9th century and remained the base for practical law in the Byzantine Empire till 1453.
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I hope this helps a little bit.During the 6th century the Byzantine troops had mercenaries from all over the empire as well as from abroad.The Armenians were consisting the most dynamic element in the army of Ioustinianos among the other ethnical elements like Bandals,Logobards,Slavs,Persians,Iberians etc.Even during the time of Heraclius the Kaukasian countries and Armenia were valid sources of recruitment,because of the warlike caracter which distinguished the soldiers of those areas.The Byzantinte army of the 6th century was divided in 2 forces,the tactical army and the guards.The second force,which was consisted of choice troops and of the imperial bodyguard(adjutants,satellites),was constitued exclusively from foreign elements(Huns,Alans etc.) which were creating a horse troop,in a part from archers and in a part from spearmans.The tactical troops were constitued mainly from Thracian,Illyrian and Kaukasian soldiers ,areas in which horse art as well as archery were known from long ago because of their contacts with Turanic tribes.
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 23:14 |
To answer the first question, yes the Byzantine Empire was imperialistic (I think any nation which is an empire is, by definition, imperialistic  ). But they basically were a wealthy and well satisfied lot. They had a proud heritage and living standards, at least in Constantinople, typically vastly better than that of other peoples throughout most of their history. As a result they were more interested in maintaining a defensive structure to keep what they had. Situated between vast hordes of waiting opponents in the Balkans and the East, they knew that a defensive infrastucture was much safer and more viable than the granduer laden campaigns of such men like Justinian. But while they did engage in holding pretensions to certain regions such as Italy, their aggression was fairly piecemeal.
They did maintain the laws and government of the Roman Imperium, though with some modifications. The legal code became increasingly Christianized in its emphasis, drawing more and more on biblical teachings later in the Empire's history. Another notable work of legal reform was the Basilica, finally completed under scholarly Emperor Constantine VII. I would also argue the law of Byzantium became increasingly bureaucratic in response to the need to optimize use of resources in the face of growing threats to Imperial security. The farmer's law of Justinian II is a good example of this, as are plenty of other legal works which have survived.
As for the army, well in more than 11 centuries of existence it did change pretty radically. In its infancy growing up as de facto of the Western Empire it relied on mercenaries. In the late 5th century they made the first steps toward recruitment of native soldiers (Isaurians in this case). In the 7th century, with mercenary supplies drying up and being deprived of the income rich lands of Egypt and Syria, Byzantium radically transformed itself into a state which recruited its own citizens, had a very well organised militia force as well as a professional state army. Following Manzikert their army was an amalgam of mercenaries and locally recruited troops (typically of inferior quality to the ones recruited prior to Manzikert). Finally from the early 13th century onwards Byzantium fielded an army once again dominated by mercenaries, with locally recruited troops tending to fill in for emergency roles and being recognised as being of poor quality and low reliability.
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