Not Turkish Spring

BTW-  The so called "Hood Event" took place under the fog of war.  The Turk operatives were not uniformed and Turkey was not co operating as part of the coalition.  Our troops had every reason to question who they were and why they were there.

Originally posted by red clay Everyone hates the USA.  It's the most popular world wide pastime.  We usually accept it and go on with our own thing.

Originally posted by red clay   Your folks already hated the US, this was just a handy excuse for it.

ofc turkey and poland don't have same positions poland is deep with in  of europ safety along with it's allies while turkey is surrounded with russian allies how do u feel every day your neighboring call u enemy ?? every day they may cut your enegry ??? every day some terrorist kill some of your soldiers and sabotage your pipline while your ally make close tide with them ??


Edited by yomud - 04-Jun-2013 at 20:30

A gift from Turkey to english; Chapulling

If American allies are disillusioned with US Policy then blame the policy makers. Which is to say Obama and company. They have held the community stage since 2008.

They remain to date, imo, the weakest in 40 years. Disjointed, contradictory and a constant barrage of messaging to the known enemies of the US and it's primary allies; that has only indicated weakness and has encouraged regional grabs of influence. Which was nothing new to begin with.

This is why in part the Turks straddle the fence. That and a general return of more hostile Islamist elements within that are being pandered to by their government.

The truth remains the truth. And the outcomes remain problematical. Do for example the Turks want a return of serious Russian influence in the region? Which consequently is not conducive to their regional and economic goals and objectives let alone genuine principals of democratic society.

Or is the actual answer a rejection of the fundamentalist Islamist threat and serious efforts to contain the same. They are doing well versus the butcher Assad but this is not effort. And in reality is a response to regional border protection (quite rightly so btw). And more should be forthcoming from the Americans but it will not under the current leadership. More also should come from Euro 'gaga' land where riding a fence behind US Military power and money has been the norm since the Marshall Plan. But it wont. Because their vested ties to oil production and resource acquisition coupled to threats of internal Islamic based immigrants unrest has them petrified.

I may be ill and not 100% at this point but I am gawd damn sure not blind.

Bet your ass.

ps. as for returning fire? Absogawdamnlutely.



Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 05-Jun-2013 at 11:14

Originally posted by red clay I post things at times to gauge the reactions.  Ollios, I now know what side of the aisle you stand on.   This one was interesting.  You people have little or no real understanding of what US politics is really like and what is actually going on here.  The Media you get is a twisted version at best.    BTW- It didn't go unnoticed that Turkey, as a Nato member refused to cooperate with the Coalition and did not allow use of their air space. Our son's unit was operating in the North of Iraq, the combat team he was leading came under fire twice by Turk boarder units. His unit was part of the old "International Force" of which Turkey was part of.  They trained with the Turks.  Our son once respected them greatly and thought of them as an allie.  In his words, "friends? nahh, just another target.   Turkey is trying to straddle the fence, but the fence keeps getting higher.   And in case your wondering, he immediately ordered his men to return fire and killed a couple of them.  Without hesitation.

I think that you should try to understand that American interests are not always the same as the interests of America's allies.
You cannot demand from us - your allies - to act for your profits completelly ignoring what we think or the fact that it will worsen our position. Especially if American establishment gives us false informations about alleged iraq weapons of mass destruction and make us looking fool on the international scene.

Originally posted by Mosquito I think that you should try to understand that American interests are not always the same as the interests of America's allies.  You cannot demand from us - your allies - to act for your profits completelly ignoring what we think or the fact that it will worsen our position. Especially if American establishment gives us false informations about alleged iraq weapons of mass destruction and make us looking fool on the international scene.

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis ''Especially if American establishment gives us false informations about alleged iraq weapons of mass destruction and make us looking fool on the international scene.'' A fair enough example but not the most recent or just as good as making the Poles look like fools. That was Obama and his kowtowing to the Russians and the rejection of the missile shield against Iran.

Edited by Mosquito - 06-Jun-2013 at 10:27

I think that you should try to understand that American interests are not always the same as the interests of America's allies.
You cannot demand from us - your allies - to act for your profits completelly ignoring what we think or the fact that it will worsen our position. Especially if American establishment gives us false informations about alleged iraq weapons of mass destruction and make us looking fool on the international scene.