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    Posted: 26-May-2013 at 01:21

This is a short bio of the great man, but what are your thoughts on him?


Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger


Born: 12 Aug 1887 in Erdberg, Vienna, Austria
Died: 4 Jan 1961 in Vienna, Austria


Erwin Schrödinger's father, Rudolf Schrödinger, ran a small linoleum factory which he had inherited from his own father. Erwin's mother, Emily Bauer, was half English, this side of the family coming from Leamington Spa, and half Austrian with her father coming from Vienna.

Schrödinger learnt English and German almost at the same time due to the fact that both were spoken in the household. He was not sent to elementary school, but received lessons at home from a private tutor up to the age of ten. He then entered the Akademisches Gymnasium in the autumn of 1898, rather later than was usual since he spent a long holiday in England around the time he might have entered the school. He wrote later about his time at the Gymnasium:-

I was a good student in all subjects, loved mathematics and physics, but also the strict logic of the ancient grammars, hated only memorising incidental dates and facts. Of the German poets, I loved especially the dramatists, but hated the pedantic dissection of their works.

In [16] there is the following quotation from a student in Schrödinger's class at school:-

Especially in physics and mathematics, Schrödinger had a gift for understanding that allowed him, without any homework, immediately and directly to comprehend all the material during the class hours and to apply it. After the lecture ... it was possible for [our professor] to call Schrödinger immediately to the blackboard and to set him problems, which he solved with playful facility.

Schrödinger graduated from the Akademisches Gymnasium in 1906 and, in that year, entered the University of Vienna. In theoretical physics he studied analytical mechanics, applications of partial differential equations to dynamics, eigenvalue problems, Maxwell's equations and electromagnetic theory, optics, thermodynamics, and statistical mechanics. It was Fritz Hasenöhrl's lectures on theoretical physics which had the greatest influence on Schrödinger. In mathematics he was taught calculus and algebra by Franz Mertens, function theory, differential equations and mathematical statistics by Wilhelm Wirtinger (whom he found uninspiring as a lecturer). He also studied projective geometry, algebraic curves and continuous groups in lectures given by Gustav Kohn.

On 20 May 1910, Schrödinger was awarded his doctorate for the dissertation On the conduction of electricity on the surface of insulators in moist air. After this he undertook voluntary military service in the fortress artillery. Then he was appointed to an assistantship at Vienna but, rather surprisingly, in experimental physics rather than theoretical physics. He later said that his experiences conducting experiments proved an invaluable asset to his theoretical work since it gave him a practical philosophical framework in which to set his theoretical ideas.

Having completed the work for his habilitation, he was awarded the degree on 1 September 1914. That it was not an outstanding piece of work is shown by the fact that the committee was not unanimous in recommending him for the degree. As Moore writes in [8]:-

Schrödinger's early scientific work was inhibited by the absence of a group of first-class theoreticians in Vienna, against whom he could sharpen his skills by daily argument and mutual criticism.

In 1914 Schrödinger's first important paper was published developing ideas of Boltzmann. However, with the outbreak of World War I, Schrödinger received orders to take up duty on the Italian border. His time of active service was not wasted as far as research was concerned, however, for he continued his theoretical work, submitting another paper from his position on the Italian front. In 1915 he was transferred to duty in Hungary and from there he submitted further papers for publication. After being sent back to the Italian front, Schrödinger received a citation for outstanding service commanding a battery during a battle.

In the spring of 1917 Schrödinger was sent back to Vienna and assigned to teach a course in meteorology. He was able to continue research and it was at this time that he published his first results on quantum theory. After the end of the war he continued working at Vienna. From 1918 to 1920 he made substantial contributions to the theory of colour vision.

Schrödinger had worked at Vienna on radioactivity, proving the statistical nature of radioactive decay. He had also made important contributions to the kinetic theory of solids, studying the dynamics of crystal lattices. On the strength of his work he was offered an associate professorship at Vienna in January 1920 but by this time he wished to marry Anny Bertel. They had become engaged in 1919 and Anny had come to work as a secretary in Vienna on a monthly salary which was more than Schrödinger's annual income. Then he was offered an associate professorship, still not at a salary large enough to support a non-working wife, so he declined.

Schrödinger accepted instead an assistantship in Jena and this allowed him to marry Anny on 24 March 1920. After only a short time there, he moved to a chair in Stuttgart where he became friendly with Hans Reichenbach. He then moved to a chair at Breslau, his third move in eighteen months. Soon however he was to move yet again, accepting the chair of theoretical physics in Zurich in late 1921. During these years of changing from one place to another, Schrödinger studied physiological optics, in particular he continued his work on the theory of colour vision.

Weyl was Schrödinger's closest colleague in his first years in Zurich and he was to provide the deep mathematical knowledge which would prove so helpful to Schrödinger in his work. The intellectual atmosphere in Zurich suited Schrödinger and Zurich was to be the place where he made his most important contributions. From 1921 he studied atomic structure, then in 1924 he began to study quantum statistics. Soon after this he read de Broglie's thesis which became a turning point in the direction of his research and had a major influence on his thinking. On 3 November 1925 Schrödinger wrote to Einstein:-

A few days ago I read with great interest the ingenious thesis of Louis de Broglie, which I finally got hold of...

On 16 November, in another letter, Schrödinger wrote:-

I have been intensely concerned these days with Louis de Broglie's ingenious theory. It is extraordinarily exciting, but still has some very grave difficulties.

One week later Schrödinger gave a seminar on de Broglie's work and a member of the audience, a student of Sommerfeld's, suggested that there should be a wave equation. Within a few weeks Schrödinger had found his wave equation.

Schrödinger published his revolutionary work relating to wave mechanics and the general theory of relativity in a series of six papers in 1926. Wave mechanics, as proposed by Schrödinger in these papers, was the second formulation of quantum theory, the first being matrix mechanics due to Heisenberg. The relation between the two formulations of wave mechanics and matrix mechanics was understood by Schrödinger immediately as this quotation from one of his 1926 papers shows:-

To each function of the position- and momentum- coordinates in wave mechanics there may be related a matrix in such a way that these matrices, in every case satisfy the formal calculation rules of Born and Heisenberg. ... The solution of the natural boundary value problem of this differential equation in wave mechanics is completely equivalent to the solution of Heisenberg's algebraic problem.

The work was indeed received with great acclaim. Planck described it as:-

... epoch-making work.

Einstein wrote:-

... the idea of your work springs from true genius...

Then, ten days later Einstein wrote again:-

I am convinced that you have made a decisive advance with your formulation of the quantum condition...

Ehrenfest wrote:-

I am simply fascinated by your [wave equation] theory and the wonderful new viewpoint it brings. Every day for the past two weeks our little group has been standing for hours at a time in front of the blackboard in order to train itself in all the splendid ramifications.

The author of Schrödinger's obituary in The Times wrote [3]:-

The introduction of wave mechanics stands ... as Schrödinger's monument and a worth one.

Schrödinger accepted an invitation to lecture at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, leaving in December 1926 to give his lectures in January and February 1927. Before he left he was told he was the leading candidate for Planck's chair in Berlin. After giving a brilliant series of lectures in Madison he was offered a permanent professorship there but [8]:-

... he was not at all tempted by an American position, and he declined on the basis of a possible commitment to Berlin.

The list of candidates to succeed Planck in the chair of theoretical physics at Berlin was impressive. Sommerfeld was ranked in first place, followed by Schrödinger, with Born as the third choice. When Sommerfeld decided not to leave Munich, the offer was made to Schrödinger. He went to Berlin, taking up the post on 1 October 1927 and there he became a colleague of Einstein's.

Although he was a Catholic, Schrödinger decided in 1933 that he could not live in a country in which persecution of Jews had become a national policy. Alexander Lindemann, the head of physics at Oxford University, visited Germany in the spring of 1933 to try to arrange positions in England for some young Jewish scientists from Germany. He spoke to Schrödinger about posts for one of his assistants and was surprised to discover that Schrödinger himself was interested in leaving Germany. Schrödinger asked for a colleague, Arthur March, to be offered a post as his assistant.

To understand Schrödinger's request for March we must digress a little and comment on Schrödinger's liking for women. His relations with his wife had never been good and he had had many lovers with his wife's knowledge. Anny had her own lover for many years, Schrödinger's friend Weyl. Schrödinger's request for March to be his assistant was because, at that time, he was in love with Arthur March's wife Hilde.

Many of the scientists who had left Germany spent the summer of 1933 in the South Tyrol. Here Hilde became pregnant with Schrödinger's child. On 4 November 1933 Schrödinger, his wife and Hilde March arrived in Oxford. Schrödinger had been elected a fellow of Magdalen College. Soon after they arrived in Oxford, Schrödinger heard that, for his work on wave mechanics, he had been awarded the Nobel prize.

In the spring of 1934 Schrödinger was invited to lecture at Princeton and while there he was made an offer of a permanent position. On his return to Oxford he negotiated about salary and pension conditions at Princeton but in the end he did not accept. It is thought that the fact that he wished to live at Princeton with Anny and Hilde both sharing the upbringing of his child was not found acceptable. The fact that Schrödinger openly had two wives, even if one of them was married to another man, did not go down too well in Oxford either, but his daughter Ruth Georgie Erica was born there on 30 May 1934.

In 1935 Schrödinger published a three-part essay on The present situation in quantum mechanics in which his famous Schrödinger's cat paradox appears. This was a thought experiment where a cat in a closed box either lived or died according to whether a quantum event occurred. The paradox was that both universes, one with a dead cat and one with a live one, seemed to exist in parallel until an observer opened the box.

In 1936 Schrödinger was offered the chair of physics at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland. He may have accepted that post but for a long delay in obtaining a work permit from the Home Office. While he was waiting he received an offer from the University of Graz and he went to Austria and spent the years 1936-1938 in Graz. Born was then offered the Edinburgh post which he quickly accepted.

However the advancing Nazi threat caught up with Schrödinger again in Austria. After the Anschluss the Germans occupied Graz and renamed the university Adolf Hitler University. Schrödinger wrote a letter to the University Senate, on the advice on the new Nazi rector, saying that he had:-

... misjudged up to the last the true will and the true destiny of my country. I make this confession willingly and joyfully...

It was a letter he was to regret for the rest of his life. He explained the reason to Einstein in a letter written about a year later:-

I wanted to remain free - and could not do so without great duplicity.

The Nazis could not forget the insult he had caused them when he fled from Berlin in 1933 and on 26 August 1938 he was dismissed from his post for 'political unreliability'. He went to consult an official in Vienna who told him that he must get a job in industry and that he would not be allowed to go to a foreign country. He fled quickly with Anny, this time to Rome from where he wrote to de Valera as President of the League of Nations. De Valera offered to arrange a job for him in Dublin in the new Institute for Advanced Studies he was trying to set up. From Rome, Schrödinger went back to Oxford, and there he received an offer of a one year visiting professorship at the University of Gent.

After his time in Gent, Schrödinger went to Dublin in the autumn of 1939. There he studied electromagnetic theory and relativity and began to publish on a unified field theory. His first paper on this topic was written in 1943. In 1946 he renewed his correspondence with Einstein on this topic. In January 1947 he believed he had made a major breakthrough [8]:-

Schrödinger was so entranced by his new theory that he threw caution to the winds, abandoned any pretence of critical analysis, and even though his new theory was scarcely hatched, he presented it to the Academy and to the Irish press as an epoch-making advance.

The Irish Times carried an interview with Schrödinger the next day in which he said:-

This is the generalisation. Now the Einstein Theory becomes simply a special case... I believe I am right, I shall look an awful fool if I am wrong.

Einstein, however, realised immediately that there was nothing of merit in Schrödinger's 'new theory' [8]:-

[Schrödinger] was even thinking of the possibility of receiving a second Nobel prize. In any case, the entire episode reveals a lapse in judgment, and when he actually read Einstein's comment, he was devastated.

Einstein wrote immediately saying that he was breaking off their correspondence on unified field theory. Unified field theory was, however, not the only topic to interest him during his time at the Institute for Advanced Study in Dublin. His study of Greek science and philosophy is summarised in Nature and the Greeks (1954) which he wrote while in Dublin. Another important book written during this period was What is life (1944) which led to progress in biology.

On the personal side Schrödinger had two further daughters while in Dublin, to two different Irish women. He remained in Dublin until he retired in 1956 when he returned to Vienna and wrote his last book Meine Weltansicht (1961) expressing his own metaphysical outlook.

During his last few years Schrödinger remained interested in mathematical physics and continued to work on general relativity, unified field theory and meson physics.

http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Printonly/Schrodinger.html

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Schrodinger equation or cat problem he established in science,or both of them:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/scheq.html
Telegraphist's equation you have above that describes quantum physic....
Schrodinger's Cat in a box problem is described here:



 


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-May-2013 at 17:07
This man is my Harry Potter Alani!I have learned a lot of things from it.WinkSchrodinger&Maxwell wrote
"Ten commandments" in Electrical science...Physics of wholeness.
http://www.wolfram-stanek.de/maxwell_hand_all1.JPG

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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-May-2013 at 23:32
Originally posted by medenaywe

This man is my Harry Potter Alani!I have learned a lot of things from it.WinkSchrodinger&Maxwell wrote
"Ten commandments" in Electrical science...Physics of wholeness.
http://www.wolfram-stanek.de/maxwell_hand_all1.JPG

Then it should be you, medenaywe, who produces one of these threads on Maxwell.Smile
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-May-2013 at 01:04
I have to fix logic issues of their theories.Here You are do it!Make new topic about Maxwell laws(God's laws
in electrical science)!Big smile
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Electromagnetism(Janev) was one subject and Microwaves(Strezov) second one,full with differential math and with length as "War&Peace".They have a "Ratio"=1Strezov=1000Janev




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The father of quantum Mechanics.And a Vedantist.
Well, he followed Vedanta Philosophy (enunciated in the Vedas).

So do I .

Schrödinger expressed very clearly the sense that consciousness is a unity, arguing that this

“insight is not new From the early great Upanishads the recognition Atman = Brahman (the personal self equals the omnipresent, all-comprehending eternal self) was in Indian thought considered, far from being blasphemous, to represent the quintessence of deepest insight into the happenings of the world. The striving of all the scholars of Vedanta was, after having learnt to pronounce with their lips, really to assimilate in their minds this grandest of all thoughts.”




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What if quantum mechanics describes rules of micro world,one of dimensions of wholeness Surya?Relativity
describes macro world another dimension of wholeness?How can we describe zero point inside those two
worlds,common for both of them?Is it the same for both dimensions?SmileTime flows the same in both of
them?Speed of light is the same?
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  Quote SuryaVajra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2013 at 10:55
Originally posted by medenaywe

What if quantum mechanics describes rules of micro world,one of dimensions of wholeness Surya?


"Microcosm = Macrocosm  " is the final conclusion of Vedic philosophy

Consciousness is indivisible into parts, it is whole and yet appears divided in life forms. It is absolute, infinite and all pervading. Or so says the Veda.

The individual, the observer,the subject,  the scientist is not distinct from the object. Perhaps this inseparability is why both Quantum and  nuclear phenomenon is affected and altered by the observer. Quantum mechanics has shown that the subject-object differences get muddy at the indeterminate quantum levels.


Originally posted by medenaywe

Relativity
describes macro world another dimension of wholeness?How can we describe zero point inside those two
worlds,common for both of them?


" From consciousness evolved Space . From space, they say, the elements were manifested"
Taittriya Upanishad, II. I.I
Yajur Veda,
2900 BC

Quantum mechanics is far from having reached conclusions.

Ervin Schrodinger , its founder , believed that Consciousness was independent of Space and time ( which was an idea that Vedanta gave him) . Therefore he believed that the micro world was a wave, a temporary disturbance of something far more fundamental --Consciousness.


You see, think of it in this way. A wave, a tsunami, a tide, a hurricane, they are all just water, temporary manifestations of the calm, formless, unconditioned ocean. Their origin is the ocean. While they exist, they are still essentially just the ocean and they will finally merge into the ocean.


So, the apparent phenomenon is just names and forms superimposed on whatever forms the underlying substance. (perhaps consciousness but not necessarily accepted by many Scientists)
At no point of time does this underlying substance cease to exist. It only gets disturbed.

Ofcourse, please note that this is just what Vedanta teaches. Science is slowly approaching this intriguing phenomenon of Consciousness . Infact we dont even have a definition for consciousness.

To think ! The Vedic Aryans thought of such lofty things 5000 years ago and reached such stunning conclusions which science is only now beginning to ponder.


Unbelievable.
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It matches in many ways:Conciousness=Information state
                                       Ocean water=Energy state we call matter.
Where does comes energy?Which thoughts transform it in matter as we know today?Ours or
Creator's?Are we part of giant holographic computer program that moves hologram around us?We die in one dimension would be reborn in other cause information same as energy can not be lost.Smile

                                      
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Originally posted by medenaywe


Where does comes energy?Which thoughts transform it in matter as we know today?Ours or
Creator's?Are we part of giant holographic computer program that moves hologram around us?We die in one dimension would be reborn in other cause information same as energy can not be lost.Smile


You are taking a reverse route-- Consciousness-->energy---->matter

You see, everything has been reduced(matter, energy and atomic phenomenon) into the time space continnum. Can this continnum be reduced to conscious phenomenon as claimed by the Vedas?

I do not deny the practical importance of knowing how matter manifests out of energy, but aren't we having a theoretical discussion?

The pressing question is, What is the role of consciousness in all this?
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Are we writing screenplay for Inception II?SmileAll equations that describe both theories have not element for Consciousness as parameter inside.They,Theories,are not conscious about their existence.We make all our memory gadgets from SiO2:Is it conscious about it?Are particles conscious? All parameters are Space&Time=multidimensional space parameter?!?How to incorporate information= Concsiousness inside equations?
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Originally posted by medenaywe

Are we writing screenplay for Inception II?SmileAll equations that describe both theories have not element for Consciousness as parameter inside.They,Theories,are not conscious about their existence.We make all our memory gadgets from SiO2:Is it conscious about it?Are particles conscious? All parameters are Space&Time=multidimensional space parameter?!?How to incorporate information= Concsiousness inside equations?
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Have to find it again.Smile



You seem to argue that consciousness is irrelevant to the subject matter of a Quantum inquiry or experiment

Perhaps an article I read is relevant here.

Without a theory of consciousness, Quantum Mechanics in particular has nowhere to turn but to mathematical theories of chance and probability to explain observations of subatomic energy transactions. Einstein famously expressed his discomfort with this by saying, “God does not play dice with the Universe. ” Quantum Mechanics cannot predict the behavior of a quantum system until a macroscopic conscious entity interferes with it, decohering the indeterminate superposition of the quantum wave function into a definite classical result. Clearly, Quantum Mechanics is missing something; just as clearly, what is missing is a workable theory of consciousness. The sometimes bizarre concepts and calculations of quantum theory all depend on the existence
and actions of an observer. Any observer must be conscious, and therefore the consciousness of the observer is critical to the outcome of any quantum experiment.

However, so far Quantum Mechanics still treats the observer ’s consciousness as a ‘black box,’ as if consciousness were proscribed from serious scientific inquiry. Whether this is a consequence of Western science’s origins as a weapon against the intellectual repression of the Church, or because of materialistic empirical bias of theorists and researchers, is not the issue here.

 We may examine an extant theory of consciousness from an ancient tradition of vital, living importance to hundreds of millions of adherents and practitioners all over the world, and to evaluate its potential value to modern science



The uncertainty principle and the wave particle paradox threw a wrench in the Newtonian philosophy of determinism.It postulated and demonstrated that every time we observe something there is a new beginning or that every event of measurement, which requires a consciousness, is potentially creative.So now we can discard the foundational assumptions of material realism,

The Principal Affirmations of Vedanta

At the heart of the vedantic “vision” to be developed in these pages lies the identification of pure existence with the vedantic brahman. All major upanishadic themes concern
the relations that hold between brahman— the Absolute, the Real — and the world (ourselves included). One of these themes is that brahman is mystically discoverable: though ineffable — it cannot be described as it is in itself, out of relation to ourselves or the world — it can be known prelinguistically and non-conceptually. The identification of pure existence with brahman appears justified by several other upanishadic themes (Phil
-lips, 1995)

Brahman is being (sat), the ultimate substance of the world, its fundamental constituent.

Brahman is transcendent of “names and forms” (nāma-rūpa): it transcends the individual and the particular

Brahman is omnipresent and unitary (undivided)

Brahman is world ground, origin of the individual and the particular
.




http://www.dccc.edu/sites/default/files/faculty/francesco_bellini/advaita-vedanta-and-quantum-physics-aar-presentation.pdf

http://anti-matters.org/articles/4/public/4-4-1-PB.pdf

http://vedantaphysics.wordpress.com/
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We need this man here Surya.Now we have Holly Trinity of Science:Schrodinger&Einstein&Shannon
http://www.nyu.edu/pages/linguistics/courses/v610003/shan.html
Claude Shannon's work:
http://web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Fall2001/Shannon1.pdf
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Claude Shannon seems to be preeminent in Electronics.

Has he theorized on Consciousness?
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2013 at 11:55
Yes he speaks about it.Every informational process influences on others around him,there are correlations between my and your voices no matter we know each other.Big smileTheory of Informations,
Shannon founded.
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