Huns and today’s ANATOLIAN-Turks genes!!!

This is a random selection of pictures of Turkish members of msn and this site:http://www.joeberkphotography.com/turkish_people.htm

It's interesting to note that none of them have the mongoloid characteristics which are high cheekbones and inner eyelids. As we can clearly see in the pic of the statue you present.

As for the article you've presented you obviously missed the fact that it said:
"supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia"

You must have spent hours looking for that pic, why not post one of the whole Fenerbache team???






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TURKISH MINORITY OF WESTERN THRACE

It is reckoned that the population of the Moslem Turkish Minority in Western Thrace is 150.000. According to the Lausanne documents; the number of Turkish people in Western Thrace was 129.120 in 1923, which constituted 68 % of the regional population while this number is 150.000 today, which accounts for only 35 % of the regional population. As far as the Lausanne documents are concerned; the Minority had 84 % of the land property on the date on which the Treaty of Lausanne was signed; however, the minority had only 20 % of the lands.

Greece has implemented a strategy which is aimed at melting the Moslem Turkish Minority in Western Thrace through assimilation or by forcing them to migrate.

To this end, Article 19 of the Greek Citizenship Law was amended. The previous provision of this article was as follows:

"If a person of non- Greek origin is to depart from Greece with the intention of not returning, it can be judged that the said person has lost Greek citizenship. This provision is also applicable to persons of non- Greek origin, born and residing abroad . It can be declared that those who live abroad, who are under age and whose parents alive have lost his/her/their Greek citizenship, have also lost their Greek citizenship. Based on the resolution adopted by the Citizenship Council, the Interior Minister judges on this subject."

This article that is used to cancel the citizenship of the Turkish Minority in Western Thrace differentiates between "those of Greek origin and those not", taking into account the "ethnic origins." With this article, some people were stripped of their Greek citizenship randomly and without any notice. People of the same race have thus heard at the border check-points that they lost their Greek citizenship. They were not allowed to enter Greece in order to raise objections the decision. Thus, it is reckoned that the number of those who lost their Greek citizenship is 60.000.

On 11 June 1998, the Greek Parliament declared that it decided to cancel article 19 of the Citizenship Law. Furthermore, they declared that this new decision was not applicable to those losing their Greek citizenship, which ruined the expectations of those of the same race as us.

The place which is resided by Turkish people, covers one-third of the region, 20-30 km in width and which transgresses Western Thrace from east to west in parallel to the Bulgarian borderline was declared "forbidden military zone."

More than half of the Greek lands including Western Thrace were declared as the border region with the act dated 1938 and numbered 1366. It was also decided that Greek citizens wanting to sell or purchase immovables within this region had to get permission from the concerned cities to this end.

Sale of immovables between Minority persons or from those of Greek origin to Minority persons was allowed for a 4-5-year period. However, deterrent measures such as keeping those demanding permission waiting for months were applied.

In spite of the guarantees and rights provided through the Treaty of Lausanne, Greece has been assimilating the Turkish minority in Western Thrace since 1923.

What did you want to mean?
Is it in wrong topic or wrong forum?

First koroglu, I'd like to apologize for posting this loooong one in your topic but some things need to be answered to.

It is honestly sad to see another brainwashed individual but this time a Hellinic citizen posting all this crap.

Dear, Sir, you conveniently told us all about loosing citizenship, gave us population reports, I also visited your site. (I'd close it down if I were you) but you conveniently avoid to tell us what's going on to the Hellines in Constadinoupoli or as you may call it istanbul.

Based on the same Lausanne documents and Human Rights give us valuable info on what has happened to them:

The Greeks of Turkey
(from the �Denying Human Rights and Ethnic Identity� series of Human Rights Watch)

"The Greek community in Turkey is dwindling, elderly and frightened.
Its population has declined from about 110,000 at the time of the
signing of the Lausanne Treaty in 1923 to about 2,500 today."

" A Helsinki Watch mission visited Turkey in October 1991 and found that the government there continues to violate the human rights of the Greek minority. These acts include harassment by police; restrictions on free expression; discrimination in education involving teachers, books and
curriculum; restrictions on religious freedom; limitations on the right
to control charitable institutions; and the denial of ethnic identity."

source:
www.hrw.org

Of course we must see what lead to the EXTERMINATION of the Hellinic population.

The "Kristallnacht" of 1955

The night of 6th to 7th of September 1955, a Turkish mob in Istanbul, organized and directed by state authorities, conducted a vicious pogrom against the Greek Community of Istanbul. As a result:

Sixteen Greeks died (the 90-years old Fr. Mantas was burned alive), and thirty two were severely wounded.

    * At least two hundred Greek women were raped. Hundreds of Greeks were tortured.

    * Seventy three churches and twenty three schools were vandalized, burned or destroyed.

    * One thousand four houses were looted; 4,348 stores, 110 hotels, 27 pharmacies and 21 factories destroyed.

    * The Patriarchal and other Greek cemeteries were desecrated. The dead bodies of Patriarchs were unburied and profaned.

    * Relics of Saints were burned or thrown to the dogs.

In 1958-1959, a new anti-greek wave took place. Turkish nationalist students embarked on a campaign of leaflet distribution outside Greek shops, encouraging the boycott of Greek businesses.

In 1964, all Greek nationals, permanent residents of Istanbul (people who were born and lived in Istanbul but retained the Greek citizenship) were eexpelled from the country on a two-day notice. Eventually, the Greek community of Istanbul shrunk from eighty thousand souls in 1955 to only forty eight thousand in 1965.

In August 1995, the US Senate passed a special resolution marking the anti-Greek pogrom of September 1955, calling on the US President to proclaim September 6, 1955, a Day of Memory for the victims of the pogrom.


Violation of Civil and Minority Rights

The Turkish state, with a number of secret decrees (1964, 1985, 1986), revoked the right of ethnic Greeks to trade, buy and inherit properties. In particular, with the secret decree of 1964, authorities had the right to block the transfer of property titles for the members of the Greek minority. As a result, numerous Greeks could not inherit family properties, which were eventually sold to Turks at very low. As the decree was secret, Greeks could not even challenge it in courts.

Private property belonging to ethnic-Greeks and to Greek religious, community and education foundations has been confiscated. Currently, ethnic-Greeks trying to reclaim their property, have to go through years of judicial struggle; most of them are obliged to sell out their estates to Turks for nominal prices.

Ethnic Greek lawyer faces charges: Elpida Frangopoulou, an ethnic Greek lawyer in Istanbul was charged with "insulting the Turkish nation" when she protested after being discriminated against, while trying to acquire a copy of her high-school diploma. After two years of judicial struggle she was convicted to two months imprisonment and was put on probation. Ms. Frangopoulou is well-known for her continuous struggle to save the vast wealth of thousands of ethnic Greeks of Istanbul following the 1964 secret Turkish decree which confiscated their properties.

The islands of Imvros and Tenedos: these two islands of the Aegean Sea, near the Dardanelle straits, had exclusively Greek population in 1922. With the Treaty of Lausanne, the islands were given to Turkey and were granted special autonomy status. Following the establishment of Turkish authorities in September 1923, however, the local governments were resolved and mayors and local officials were expelled. Autonomy was eventually revoked in 1927.

Since then, Turkey confiscated all minority school property in Imvros, the larger of the two islands, closed down six elementary schools, confiscated thousands of acres of land used in agriculture, prohibited the export of meat, and established an open prison in the island. Land appropriations continued through 1984, when the indigenous Greek population was left with virtually no agricultural property. Meanwhile, in 1978, Turkey started distributing these lands to settlers from the mainland.

Inmates of the open prison committed numerous crimes: in 1973, Stelios Kavalieros was slaughtered and the whole island was terrorized; in 1975, inmates raped and murdered Ms. Styliani Zouni in the village of St. Theodoroi; in 1980 they murdered Efstratios Stylianides and Nikos Ladas. On November 1990, Zaf. Delikonstantes was slaughtered. No murderer was ever punished.


Persecution and Discrimination in Higher Education

(I'm sure you had EVERY right to education in Hellas)

Since 1936, Turkey has imposed the use of the Turkish language in most courses taught in Greek minority schools, prohibiting the teaching of Greek history and geography. Following a decree of 1964, the Turkish state prohibits the entrance of Greek-Orthodox clerics into Greek minority schools and the celebration of Christmas and Easter; morning prayer in schools is forbidden. Since September 1964, with the Law 8459, Greek students are not allowed to speak Greek during class breaks. In 1971, Greek pupils are enforced to start and end their classes saying : "I am happy to be a Turk." In the 60's, several Greek schools were closed down by the state and their property was confiscated. Since the '70s, the Turkish state has imposed Turkish directors to the schools of the Greek community, who raise all kinds of obstacles in the daily educational work.

April 1994: Unidentified persons tossed burning torches into the yard of the Greek Grand National Academy, in Phanar, Istanbul. The fire was extinguished immediately with Fire Brigade assistance.

September 1994: more than one hundred Greek high-school graduates in Istanbul were not allowed to enroll to Turkish Universities. The pupils had succeeded in the nation-wide entrance exams. The pretext for this discriminatory decision was that they had not attended the course of physical education during the previous school-year. It was because of the Turkish authorities, however, that this course was not taught: Turkey did not allow the entrance of teachers from Greece to teach in Greek minority schools, thus violating the Lausanne Treaty.


Anyway, I think you get the point.
I suggest you thank God (whoever he may be) that you live in a DEMOCRATIC country that allows you to express your opinion openly, educate yourself, practice your own religious beliefs, political rights (please name JUST ONE Hellinic politician in Turkey, while the muslim minority of Hellas has THREE in Parliament)...........

Finally "Niko", try to spend your time on something more constructive instead of spreading propaganda about the country you live in. Probably if you showed you trully "love it", she would trully love you back in return

If you'd like to continue this, open a new topic. I don't think the Muslim minority of Hellas has anything to do with Mongoloid genes, unless you have some genetic analysys up your sleeve.













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Koroglu you are a very funny facist.your topic is nonsense on real facts.Turks occupied a huge empirez and killz not everyonez.So dey mix up if yo get what i'm sayin,impossible such sing

Originally posted by MegaloIdea Koroglu you are a very funny facist.your topic is nonsense on real facts.Turks occupied a huge empirez and killz not everyonez.So dey mix up if yo get what i'm sayin,impossible such sing

 

Let me guess...hmm... you are greek, yes??

Originally posted by MegaloIdea Koroglu you are a very funny facist.your topic is nonsense on real facts.Turks occupied a huge empirez and killz not everyonez.So dey mix up if yo get what i'm sayin,impossible such sing

HAha, what the hell are you talking about?  Realy, I don't think anyone understood a word that came out your mouth.  And I like your little signature at the end.  "Drive them back to Asia"  Turkey is in Asia, look at a map!!! And if you want us even further into Asia away from your people, I'd like to see you and any army try.

Originally posted by k�roglu Originally posted by MegaloIdea Koroglu you are a very funny facist.your topic is nonsense on real facts.Turks occupied a huge empirez and killz not everyonez.So dey mix up if yo get what i'm sayin,impossible such sing   Let me guess...hmm... you are greek, yes??

I iz saying that u.......r yuselles thred is nonsense.And my signuture iz true,we will drive you back to mongolia and farfar eway,your desrve it,everarmenin ded will sez so ! ! ! ! !

Ok i will change my signature too

"Drive them back to zoo"

Phallanx,

I dont say the Native Americans were Turkic originated because I believe in any Sun Language theory. It is scientifically proven that the native Americans immigrated to Northern America from southwestern Siberia, northwest of Altai mountains. Their language is proven to be Ural-Altaic and very similar to ancient Turkic. Their tents, beliefs (shamanism), culture and easy adoption to horse riding are very similar to the Turkic civilization.

If you arent enlightened enough about history, check these sites:

http://ireland.iol.ie/~afifi/Articles/turkic.htm

http://www.mormonismus-online.de/html/ychromosomeandnativeam ericanorigins.htm

Nervous??? Never was and most probably never will be, at least not when I read this kind of stuff. I was just trying to show you that you are a mixture of people/races. If you do any simple research you'll find :

Turks arent pure Mongoloids, and werent. To claim a definite ethnicity or race to Turks would be stupidity. Because Turks walked the erth, and being a Turk isnt considered with your look, but with your common ancestry. But the original Turkic nation who immigrated to Anatolia from western steppes were definately Turanoids.

Of course, a big percentage of the current Anatolian Turkish population is mixed in different amounts with different ethnicities. TO figure this out isnt that hard. Anatolia had an enormous genepool, since the ancient times. It was consisted of a majority of ancient Indo-European and some ancient non-Indo European (Ex: Hattis, Urartu etc.) genes. And when the Romans conquered Anatolia, a minor Roman population's (but mostly the eastern immigrants from Roman Empire) genes were also added to this gene pool. Then, the Byzanthines inheriyed those lands from the Romans, with their minor Greek population.

Anatolia was being ruled by Greeks until the Seljuk Turks became to conquer it. Because Anatolia was being ruled by a Roman/Greek empire, the original non-Greek antolian population were largely Greekified and they became to use Greek as a common language. Centuries of assimilation were only linguistically and religious, but the ethnicity of Anatolia was still the same with some minor Greek/Roman genes entering the only western Anatolian/Aegean, and Pontus population.

The Turkic people of Pecheneks, Kipchaks and Oguz have immmigrated to Anatolia after the collapse of G�kt�rk Empire. These tribes were mainly living in Transoxania and Caspian steppes before entering to Byzanthine Empire's authority in 9th century with mass immigrations. They mainly settled in the western Black sea region and central Anatolia. And their genes were also added to Anatolian population.

After the 10th century, the Seljuks gained a huge power and became an empire whose borders reached from Eastern Anatolia to todays Kyrgizistan, Central Asia. Most of the Turkic population of central Asia and western steppes were immigrating to Seljuk lands and placed in the far borders of the Empire. Especially Turkomans were occupyinhg a huge population of the empire and their population overgrowt have made Tughrul and Chagri Beghs to search for a new homeland to settle this excessive and massive population. And Anatolia became the most suitable decision after the declining period of the Eastern Roman Empire began with the Battle of Manzikert.

Anatolia was becoming the new homeland for the next generations of Turanoid Turkic population. Especially Turkmens, who were the ruling class of the Seljuks, were populating anatolia with their mass immigrations for the following centuries. The Anatolian population during the latest Byzanthine period was reaching to a number of eight millions, while the new Turkic immigrants had a population of 4-5 milliions.

Later, with the collapse of the Seljuk Empire, after the beghliks period in Anatolia, Osman Begh, a Turkmen begh, the son of Ertughrul Begh have gained the power. With his uchbeglik which was gifted by Alaeddin Keykubad, the Anatolian Seljuk Sultan to Ertugrul Gazi, Osman Begh's state have expanded the borders from Eastern Anatolia to Bosnia. And with the Mongolian invasions of Turkestan, massive Turkmen and other Turkic immigrations to Anatolia have reached its highest level. After the Battle of Ankara, in 1402, the massive Turkmen immigrations were on rise again and the Ottomans decided to place this Turkish population to the new conquered lands in the Balknas to provide safety and to be the authority in those lands.

So the Anatolian gene pool, which was consisted of lots of different local and conquerer Anatolian populations have been enriched with a major Turanoid population in central and inner parts of Anatolia after those centuries of mixing btw same religious groups and assimilations. Today, with the minor Balkan genes being mixed to into this gene pool, the Anatolian Turkish population have inherited mostly the Turanoid genes of their ancestors, and definetely some ancient Anatolian genes from the ancient locals. But surely, those ancient locals were not Greeks. Greek rule was a foregn rule in the inner parts of Anatolia and the Greek ethnicity was only major in the Aegean and Thracian regions.

But the mixing of ethnicities in these thousands of years werent all about the Turks. The current Greek population have majorly mixed with the Slavic Balkan population, the Anatolian populations, and especially Turks. Because the Byzanthine empire have expanded in very foreign lands and they mixed with those local populations to gain more control, assimilations and power on those lands. After the hundreds of years regin of Ottoman Empire, with the mass mixings of the Turkmen population who were placed and settled in the specific points of the Balkans and Greece by the Ottomans in the last centuries have been assimilated in the Greek population, but their genes enriched the Greek gene pool enormously. So today, there still exist a big population of originally Turanoid population in anatolia, and the rest of the population, especially in the western and coastal regions of Anatolia have mixed in different amounts.