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Drachenfire 
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 Topic: England, France at War! (Alternate Current Events)Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 06:44 |
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England and France at War! The Associated Press, December 15, 2012 Brussells- Britain declared war on France at 11 o’clock last night. Delivering the news in the House of Commons, England’s Prime Minister David Cameron said “We have repeated the request for the French Government to withdraw their naval blockade of the English Channel and received their answer.” The Prime Minister continued, “Receiving an unsatisfactory response from the French Government, Her Majesty The Queen in Council signed the declaration of war against the Republic of France. “Owing to the summary rejection by the French Government of the request made by Her Majesty’s Government for the suspension of the French blockade of the English Channel, Her Majesty’s Ambassador to Paris has returned to London and Her Majesty’s Government declared to the French Government that a state of war exists between the United Kingdom and France as from 11 pm on December 14th, 2012. France began a naval block aid last Monday after England began levying a tax for all merchant traffic through the channel. France responded with the block aide. The events reflect the down ward spiral in relations of the two countries since the European debt crisis began in 2008. ______________________________ Really the point of this 'alternate current events' topic is to discuss a hypothetical conflict between England and France, with the neutrality of all other nations. Who would come out on top? Don't be too bothered with the details of the news article, it is a bit of fun. Think of this debate as a "War Games Exercise. A friend an I were talking about this the other day, and I remembered the alternate history forums here (but it didn't seem appropriate to post current event hypotheticals there. An interesting resource: globalfirepower.com |
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Nick1986
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Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 09:01 |
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Definitely Britain. Half of the French army would run away and the rest would collaborate with the invaders
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Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
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Azita
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Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 11:17 |
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i think that the Triomphant vessels of FOST, might cause a little worry, still the Royal Navy could try ramming them again...... ;)
But whose side would Germany take? Also what about all the US military stationed in the UK, what would they do? perhaps it would be the Americans that "ran away" Quite a horrible prospect really. Azita |
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Iolo
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Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 11:24 |
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The soldiers would immediately fraternise and, if necessary, mutiny. Not a believable alternative history just now.
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Gobeithiaw y ddaw ydd wyf.
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Toltec
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Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 13:31 |
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"It has always been the same since Crecy" Napoleon Bonaparte.
can't argue with a shortarse Corsican, they know about these things.
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Drachenfire
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Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 23:41 |
United Kingdom Military StrengthUnited Kingdom Military Strength Detail by the numbers. 5   PERSONNEL Total Population: 62,698,362 [2011] Available Manpower: 29,164,233 [2011] Fit for Service: 24,035,131 [2011] Of Military Age: 749,480 [2011] Active Military: 224,500 [2011] Active Reserve: 187,130 [2011] LAND ARMY Total Land Weapons: 11,630 Tanks: 420 [2011] APCs / IFVs: 4,347 [2011] Towed Artillery: 138 [2011] SPGs: 120 [2011] MLRSs: 42 [2011] Mortars: 2,563 [2011] AT Weapons: 4,000 [2011] AA Weapons: 653 [2011] Logistical Vehicles: 16,011  AIR POWER Total Aircraft: 1,663 [2011] Helicopters: 606 [2011] Serviceable Airports: 505 [2011] RESOURCES Oil Production: 1,502,000 bbl/Day[2011] Oil Consumption: 1,669,000 bbl/Day[2011] Proven Reserves: 3,084,000,000 bbl/Day [2011] Partial Sources: Central Intelligence Agency View the US Military Pay Chart  LOGISTICAL Labor Force: 31,450,000 [2011] Roadway Coverage: 394,428 km Railway Coverage: 16,454 km  FINANCIAL (USD) Defense Budget: $73,746,170,000[2011] Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $66,720,000,000 [2011] Purchasing Power:$2,173,000,000,000 [2011]  GEOGRAPHIC Waterways: 3,200 km Coastline: 12,429 km Square Land Area: 243,610 km Shared Border: 360 km NAVAL POWER Total Navy Ships: 99 Merchant Marine Strength: 527[2011] Major Ports & Terminals: 10 Aircraft Carriers: 1 [2011] Destroyers: 6 [2011] Submarines: 11 [2011] Frigates: 13 [2011] Patrol Craft: 23 [2011] Mine Warfare Craft: 15 [2011] Amphibious Assault Craft: 10 [2011] |
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Drachenfire
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Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 23:55 |
France Military StrengthFrance Military Strength Detail by the numbers. 8  PERSONNEL Total Population: 65,312,249 [2011] Available Manpower: 28,802,096 [2011] Fit for Service: 23,747,168 [2011] Of Military Age: 773,889 [2011] Active Military: 362,485 [2011] Active Reserve: 419,000 [2011] LAND ARMY Total Land Weapons: 10,621 Tanks: 406 [2011] APCs / IFVs: 8,468 [2011] Towed Artillery: 466 [2011] SPGs: 211 [2011] MLRSs: 44 [2011] Mortars: 550 [2011] AT Weapons: 476 [2011] AA Weapons: 350 [2011] Logistical Vehicles: 13,748 AIR POWER Total Aircraft: 1,757 [2011] Helicopters: 810 [2011] Serviceable Airports: 475 [2011] RESOURCES Oil Production: 70,820 bbl/Day [2011] Oil Consumption: 1,875,000 bbl/Day[2011] Proven Reserves: 101,200,000 bbl/Day [2011] Partial Sources: US Library of Congress; Central Intelligence Agency; Fighting Forces (Barron's) View the US Military Pay Chart LOGISTICAL Labor Force: 28,210,000 [2011] Roadway Coverage: 1,027,183 km Railway Coverage: 29,640 km FINANCIAL (USD) Defense Budget: $62,700,000,000[2011] Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $133,100,000,000 [2011] Purchasing Power:$2,145,000,000,000 [2011] GEOGRAPHIC Waterways: 8,501 km Coastline: 4,853 km Square Land Area: 643,801 km Shared Border: 4,072 km NAVAL POWER Total Navy Ships: 289 Merchant Marine Strength: 167[2011] Major Ports & Terminals: 7 Aircraft Carriers: 1 [2011] Destroyers: 0 [2011] Submarines: 10 [2011] Frigates: 23 [2011] Patrol Craft: 35 [2011] Mine Warfare Craft: 18 [2011] Amphibious Assault Craft: 13 [2011] |
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Drachenfire
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Posted: 15-Dec-2012 at 00:01 |
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I should've posted this info as well. I'm not sure where/what America and Germany would do at the moment. Recently, a few of us were watching season one of Jericho, in which multiple nuclear warheads destroy about 20 US cities, and America is divided into a succession war between six rival governments. And in light of the recent (badly made) remake of Red Dawn when N. Korea manages the impossible and invade the Pacific North-West, and in light of the alleged end-of-the-world hoopla out there, I and some others were discussing who would come out on top if there was now a kinda free-for-all as governments in a world of crisis try and capture all power they could in a world where the UN, NATO, and the EU are rendered superfluous.
Lets just say America, Germany, Italy, Spain, are otherwise distracted, and this is a straight-up fight between England and France. The limited consensus is for England then? They seemed to be more evenly matched to me, though England has two Queen Elizabeth II aircraft carriers, both the Queen Elizabeth II and Prince of Wales scheduled to enter service in 2018/2019. France has a slight edge in aircraft and man-power, though. England is ranked #5 world power, with France ranked at #8 world power. With such evenly matched forces, it may be a question of strategy and early victories. Edited by Drachenfire - 15-Dec-2012 at 00:18 |
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Azita
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Posted: 15-Dec-2012 at 15:14 |
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Also the British Military has seen a lot of business in the last few years, that means experience.
The French did take a lead role in the Libya campaign. But nothing like the British in Iraq and Afghanistan. FWIW During WW2 the British had many a battle against the French, the majority they won quite decidedly Azita |
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Toltec
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Posted: 15-Dec-2012 at 19:28 |
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According to those figures, if each country's submarines cut off supply routes from the middle east. France has 50 days oil supply, Britain has 30 years.
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Drachenfire
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Posted: 18-Dec-2012 at 01:44 |
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Hummm.. after reflection I think we are underestimating France.
If we look at the numbers, Air Power: France: 1757 aircraft, 810 are helos England: 1663, 606 helos Navy: France, 1 carrier, 10 subs, 23 frigats, England, 1 carrier, 6 destroyers, but only 13 frigats All France has to do is continue their embargo, a defensive position, whereas England has to be the aggressor here. Also, when we talk about land forces, France has been involved in major world deployments as well, but are not covered as extensively in the English language media. I don't think the French are a spent force, and can go toe to tow in a one on one with England. I would still give England the over all edge, though. French military engagements: Edited by Drachenfire - 18-Dec-2012 at 01:49 |
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