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    Posted: 06-May-2005 at 09:46

Forgotten craftsmen who built Taj Mahal

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The names of more than 670 previously unknown "masons and labourers" who helped build the Taj Mahal have been discovered by a team of Indian archaeologists.

The findings by the Indian Archaeological Survey tell a forgotten story of the craftsmen who were summoned to Agra in northern India 350 years ago to build the great monument to loss and love.

The names, mostly in Arabic and Persian, were found etched into the sandstone walls and peripheral structures on the northern side of the monument.

"Most of these masons came from Iran, Central Asia and India," said D Dayalan, the superintending archaeologist. "The names have been meticulously divided into sections such as dome makers, garden development department, furnishing workers and inlay artists." [Continue]:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-May-2005 at 08:11

 

Taj Mahal has been built by Turco/Mongols.

Ottomans have sent architects to India to work in the building of Taj Mahal.

http://spirituality.indiatimes.com/articleshow/846462.cms

The ego-centric Europeans have inverted their own story as well. Enjoy it when you read European version. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2005 at 06:34

It was commissioned by the mughul Emperor Shah Jahan, the son of Jahangir, as a mausoleum for his Persian wife, Princess Arjumand Banu Begum, also known as Mumtaz-ul-Zamani.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal
http://www.tajmahalindia.net/taj-mahal-architecture.html

Architect & craftsmen were Persian.

recently Europeans said Architect was Italian!!!

Surely This Italian was Shiraz Lover, or He has Built Shiraz & Isfahan Palace before, WinkWinkBig smileBig smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2005 at 09:31

I Found Architects name:

Hail to: Ostad Eisa Shirazi & his son Mohamad Shirazi

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 07:46
The architect of the modification was one Usman Beg.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 15:38
There were Turkic, Indian and Persian architects who built this great architectural splendor, they all had their influences, the grand master architects of the buildings were mostly local Indians and Turks trained by Mimar Sinan of the Ottomans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 19:39

Didn't the stones for Taj Mahal come from iran?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 04:54
These craftsmen did not actually build the Taj Mahal. What was done by Shah Jahan was a retrofitting & modification of the Tejo Mahalaya temple - palace complex of maharaja Jai Singh, after aquiring it from him forcibly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 18:17
Lol. I think you should learn Persian before you attempt to translate it. Seriously.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 02:40
That anyway does not affect the brutality of Shah Jahan
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 16:08
Get a clue, or better yet, follow my previous advice and learn Persian before trying to translate it.  I don't know what language you thought you were writing, if Dari is your "motheric" tongue, then I suggest you learn it, bacheh, the verse goes like this:
 
"Agar un tork e Shirazi be dast aarad dil e mara,
Ba khaal e Hinduash bakhsham Samarqand o Bukhara ra"
 
If that beautiful woman (turk-e-Shirazi) takes my heart in her hand,
just for her Hindu spot I will relinquish Samarqand and Bukhara...
 
(to show the value he placed on her by giving up Bukhara and Samarqand, two of teh most revered cities of the time, for merely for her spot)
 
It has NOTHING to do with Shirazis being Turks - turk-e-Shirazi here is used as an expression for a beautiful woman.  Hafez himself was a Shirazi, I have been to his mausaleam.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 17:47
Its interesting that Banu Begum is a Turkic name, why would she have this name also she was initially a Hindu, are their Persian Hindu's or was she from a mixed Hindu family?
 
The crafstmen who built the Taj Mahal are not forgotten.
 
Ustad Isa is given credit as being the architect of the Taj Mahal, he was a Turk, he was accompanied by a Turkish architect, Isa Muhammad Effendi, a pupil of the great Turkish architect Sinan, who presumably drew the final plan of the building, a Venetian named Geronimo Veroneo, who played a major role in the planning stage of the construction and Amanat Khan Shirazi, a Persian, who was possibly in charge of the calligraphy, where verses from the Koran are carved onto the marble.
 
Chiranjilal,  from Delhi, was chosen as the chief sculptor and mosaicist.
 
The creative team included sculptors from Bukhara, calligraphers from Ottoman lands and Persia, inlayers from southern India, stonecutters from Baluchistan, a specialist in building turrets, another who carved only marble flowers thirty seven men in all formed the creative nucleus. To this core was added a labour force of twenty thousand workers recruited from across northern India.

The main dome was designed by Ismail Khan from the Ottoman Empire, considered to be the premier designer of hemispheres and builder of domes of that age. Qazim Khan, a native of Lahore, cast the solid gold finial that crowned the Turkish master's dome.

So clearly it was an Indian, Turkish, Persian who built it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 18:04
Banoo is Persian for lady or madam, eg. Shahbanoo, shah's lady. Where did you read Banu Begam?
 
Anyway...  The turk-e-Shirazi (notice without key capital) - is an expression for "Shirazi beauty".  Turkic features were considered aesthetically pleasing in Iran during that period. If you have ever noticed, paintings from the period in Iran depict round faced almond eyed manifestations of Shahs and other characters (even Shah Nameh depictions).  An example would be Shah Abbas (IIRC) - whose portrait by a Frenchman look nothing like those of his Iranian contemporaries who use the "turk" features.  Also - the Hindu spot was a cosmetic thing women used to put on in Iran for aesthetic reasons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 18:40
Yes and mixed Persian Turkic children were meant to grow up to be incredibly beauitul Tongue
 
Begum is Beg for females as far as I know.
 
Banu is Farsi your correct.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 19:00
banu begam
lady lady, interesting name.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 06:43
Taj mahal was not built by Shah Jahan. It was an old palace complex, belonging to the King of Jaipur and just modified by Shah Jahan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 07:40
[QUOTE=Vivek Sharma] Taj mahal was not built by Shah Jahan. It was an old palace complex, belonging to the King of Jaipur and just modified by Shah Jahan.html

Hi Vivek,
King of Jaipur was salve king of Mughals. Hence every thing which the Raja of Jai Pur had belonged to his overlords, the Mughals. He was also given the Alwar which was ruled by Bad Gujjars earlier and Ranthambor to rule which was ruled by Gujjars of Chauhan gotra earlier. It does not mean that both these places belong to him but he was ruling these places on behalf of his overlords, the Mughals.

The actual site was where Taj Mahal is made is Shiva tepmle and big garden made by Gujjars Partihar Emperor Samrat Mihir Bhoj Mahan. There are many places in India like Delhi founded by Gujjar Tanwars and was named Mihirawli (Meharauli) and Bhopal (Founded by Gujjar parmars named after him as Bhoj Pal. Both the Tanwars and Parmars were his fuedatory kings and have done so please their overlord, the Gujjar Samrat Mihir Bhoj Mahan.
About tajmahal Here is the authentic details of my claim.

[http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/godbole_taj2

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Archaeological Survey of India Report for the Year 1871-72 was prepared by M/s Beglar ( on Delhi ) and Carllyle (on Agra ) In volume II Mr Carlleyle tells us :

p 4 " ... Again as bearing on the other side of the argument I have now to mention that, on the right bank of the river about three miles above the fort, there is the site of an ancient garden palace called the garden and palace of Raja Bhoj! Certain intelligent educated Hindus in Agra say that it is traditionally held to have been a palace of Raja Bhoj of Malwa of the fifth to sixth century; but at any rate all agree as to the fact that this garden palace of Raja Bhoj was in existence previous to the Muhammadan conquest of this part of the country.





    
    
    
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 01:32
You are right APji, Once a person has accepted slavery, all his objections come to a naught.
 
Infact, he does not have the right to object, but can only feel frustrated. If he had really objected, he would have taken sword to fight, which he did not do, implying his silent nod to the torturous aquisition of the Tejo Mahalaya temple - palace complex by the mughals & it's retrofittment & relabeling as Taj Mahal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 13:25
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

These craftsmen did not actually build the Taj Mahal. What was done by Shah Jahan was a retrofitting & modification of the Tejo Mahalaya temple - palace complex of maharaja Jai Singh, after aquiring it from him forcibly.


I haven't read Oak's book, but if it was a retrofit, it must've been very extensive if not a full remodeling.  Compare it say with the Hagia Sophia where it's very obvious to see what was added on later and what is original.  The Taj's domes are pure muslim, derived from Byzantine domes which were an improvement on Roman domes, only the upturned lotus at the pinnacle is a Hindu element.  There is no such thing as a circular dome element in Hindu architecture.  The Taj's arches wouldn't look out of place in a mosque from Shiraz or Isfahan.  Arches don't occur anywhere in Hindu temples from Kanchipuram to Angkor Wat.  The whole structure of the Taj (simple outside silhouette, intricate inside) is foreign to Hindu construction and I have trouble seeing how the Taj Mahal gets any of its character from a pre-existing structure.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 15:06
Everything you stated makes absolute sense and it is almost certain to be true. However, I have to disagree on one point, these domes bear no resemblence to Byzantine and Roman domes, other than that they are domes.  They are a different innovation. Their method of construction is different I don't believe that they used cement int eh same way to support the trscture, and the insides of these domes are honeycombed to support the weight.
 
Their origins are Sassanid domes which resemble them to a much greater extent than Roman ones.
 
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Taj mahal was not built by Shah Jahan. It was an old palace complex, belonging to the King of Jaipur and just modified by Shah Jahan.
 
Spoken like a true Hindutva chauvinist.


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