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    Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 14:49
Med, the effective range on that thing was only about a mile and a half.  It would do as much damage to the troops using it as the troops they were firing at. 
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Yup, no long range stuff.  The Atomic rifle has a range of approx. 5 miles, and there are some tactical systems with a max range of 150 miles.  That would keep it in the home field, so to speak.  The logic here, or lack of it, is that they would be too busy vaporizing each other to bother with anyone else, and by the time they were done, there wouldn't be enough left to worry about.  Evil Smile
 
Hey, Wonder if I could get a spot on Fox with that one.Big smile
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You are out of range Nick!They will kill among themselves.Smile
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 09:28
Originally posted by red clay

Personally, I think we should give em all tactical nukes, no long range stuff.  Give them some of the toys we no longer deploy, like the Atomic Rifle,  and let them go at it.  What the hell, oil is still useable if it's radioactive, and we can grow Pistachios and Cashews elsewhere.Big smile Just think of the benefits, Turkey and the Balkans wouldn't need streetlights, you could navigate by the glow.  The savings in energy would be incredible.
After about 10 years, you could turn the area into a "Nuke Zoo and Botanical Garden" with all of the mutations, scientists could study it for decades. ApproveBig smile  And it would be.........so quiet.Wink
 
 

One problem: Islamists like Al Qaeda might get hold of some of these weapons and use them against us
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Originally posted by Ollios

Who would win the US election if the world could vote?
http://www.wingia.com/web/files/news/16/file/16.pdf

Americans should ask them that why do majority of world choose Obama?

 
If there were a Chinese election and I could vote then I would vote for someone who can destroy the Chinese economy! People usually like to pull others down as they go up, a weak president for a powerful country is usually better for other countries.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 01:27
Originally posted by Ollios

Who would win the US election if the world could vote?
http://www.wingia.com/web/files/news/16/file/16.pdf

Americans should ask them that why do majority of world choose Obama?

 
 
And you should ask where and who their sources were. What agendas are they pushing etc.
 
And if in fact this is true, then my answer would be, that they trust Obama's Admin. more than they trust Romney's ability to form a better Administration.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 01:18
Originally posted by unclefred

I like this quote: "Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King said we remember the silence of our friends far more than the words of our enemies." and also this one from a Syrian woman: "When we control Syria, we won’t forget that you forgot us." I really hope Romney becomes president, however it is possible he also forgets what he already says!


Agreed, We need Romney and a new Sec. of State. The mess Obama and Clinton made needs to be remedied.

 
 
Unc, your going to have to use better bait than that, if your going to catch the big fish. Evil SmileClown
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2012 at 01:07
Reading Your posts above I found that Romney really knows where Syria is.SmileArab Spring decrease consumers consumption in this area several times,unemployment&low incomes per citizen follow next.All Western countries project their virtual economic programs on steroids:Who will buy this?If i compare facts with Eastern Europe&Ex.Yugoslavia states situation:Unemployment rate in most of the countries is over 30 %...Average salaries are 3x-5x less than previous 20 years before...Dear Americans&Europeans,who will pay for your products in those markets?There is a solution:With products
of your export send us a money for buying them!LOLBig smileLOLRomney has to be right always!
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Who would win the US election if the world could vote?
http://www.wingia.com/web/files/news/16/file/16.pdf

Americans should ask them that why do majority of world choose Obama?

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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2012 at 17:18

I like this quote: "Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King said we remember the silence of our friends far more than the words of our enemies." and also this one from a Syrian woman: "When we control Syria, we won’t forget that you forgot us." I really hope Romney becomes president, however it is possible he also forgets what he already says!


Agreed, We need Romney and a new Sec. of State. The mess Obama and Clinton made needs to be remedied.



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Personally, I think we should give em all tactical nukes, no long range stuff.  Give them some of the toys we no longer deploy, like the Atomic Rifle,  and let them go at it.  What the hell, oil is still useable if it's radioactive, and we can grow Pistachios and Cashews elsewhere.Big smile Just think of the benefits, Turkey and the Balkans wouldn't need streetlights, you could navigate by the glow.  The savings in energy would be incredible.
After about 10 years, you could turn the area into a "Nuke Zoo and Botanical Garden" with all of the mutations, scientists could study it for decades. ApproveBig smile  And it would be.........so quiet.Wink
 
 
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It's not so much overthrowing as realigning from fondo to more secular attitudes.....and that involves a bloodbath with insurgents now totally repressed and the IRGC who has the modern equipment and initially the numbers to quell most anything. This would be a long process....multi-year and there would have to be a haven for movement back and forth into the ops area. The only legit region is eastern Turkey and ya already know what's there.
 
The only counter or addition to this would be a containment of ports and destruction of infrastructure to the point that the IRGC leadership feels the heat to get rid of the Mullahs. That's dicey cuz their freaking wackos as well. Consequently internally to the IRGC there would be required a Coup of younger officers. Not likely.
 
 
Tricky shit that revolution and rebuilding of nation states...for one never knows where it goes no matter the quality of intel and precedence.


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If the US wants to arm insurgents, they should aid the Iranians seeking to overthrow the Islamists as this would put a stop to the nuclear program
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 22:52
You are seriously misjudging him.  If the Mullahs are doing the same, and I believe they are, that's as serious a mistake as Kruschev made with Kennedy.  
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Never under estimate anyone who holds the office of President of the US. Particularly in a situation such as this.  It's much more than one man involved, and it's a much more complex process, esp. when the Senate leadership has to be made aware of what's going on.
 
Also, and even CV will have to agree here, The man does not make the office of President, the office makes the man.
If the Mullahs are openly supporting Obama, it's because they think this will affect the outcome of the election.  Romney has zero experience in Foreign Affairs, [having friends in Canada doesn't make itBig smile]  and most neocons don't actively support Israel.  They also may be thinking over the Bin Laden affair.  There are many reasons for them to want someone else in office other than Obama.
 
The weakness of Obama on foreign policy is an deniable thing, it can be true to say it is the Senate which decides but the problem is that the current president has not enough self-authority to perform, a president of the US should have inner strength and courage, as I see Romney says almost the same things, for example about the sanctions against Iran or supporting the rebels in Syria, but he also talks about the red line and many other things that Obama never dares to talk about them.
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Arming insurgents is dangerous and stupid. They will probably turn on you, as Bin Laden did, as soon as they've replaced Assad with a new Islamist dictator. It's best to stay out of it and let the two sides kill each other
 
 
Unfortunately, wishful thinking.  Nick, if it were that simple, I would personally donate money to buy ammo for them, as would many others.
 
True, staying on the side of things never really works because one of the sides is bound to do something against your interest.
 
But, say the NATO or US intervene in Syria... What happens then? Would Russia react? What would be the situation with Iran then?
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 10:45
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Arming insurgents is dangerous and stupid. They will probably turn on you, as Bin Laden did, as soon as they've replaced Assad with a new Islamist dictator. It's best to stay out of it and let the two sides kill each other
 
 
Unfortunately, wishful thinking.  Nick, if it were that simple, I would personally donate money to buy ammo for them, as would many others.
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Arming insurgents is dangerous and stupid. They will probably turn on you, as Bin Laden did, as soon as they've replaced Assad with a new Islamist dictator. It's best to stay out of it and let the two sides kill each other
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Oct-2012 at 23:22
Originally posted by red clay

Never under estimate anyone who holds the office of President of the US. Particularly in a situation such as this.  It's much more than one man involved, and it's a much more complex process, esp. when the Senate leadership has to be made aware of what's going on.
 
Also, and even CV will have to agree here, The man does not make the office of President, the office makes the man.
 
 
Amen.Wink
 
 
 
 
If the Mullahs are openly supporting Obama, it's because they think this will affect the outcome of the election.
 
Yupper...based on their believed perception of his weakness in dealing with the Islamic Nations and US relationships. Past or present. And the past are not his fault. But without question, they perceive him as a weakling and novice in ME affairs. He continues to be recognized as an apologist and appeaser and they continue to use this to their advantage.
 
 
Romney has zero experience in Foreign Affairs, [having friends in Canada doesn't make itBig smile]  and most neocons don't actively support Israel.  They also may be thinking over the Bin Laden affair.  There are many reasons for them to want someone else in office other than Obama.
 
 
 
This is apt and quite possibly accurate....but what the Iranian's don't want is a return to relationships brought on by the Reagan era. Like the former Sovs they lost in that fight. And they know and remember it.Wink
 
 
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