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Top 10 Armies In World History!

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    Posted: 16-Apr-2013 at 09:14
The best army at present is the British Army.  In fact, Britain (and England before that) probably has the best military record of any nation in history.
 
Also, if the German Army was the best of the 20th Century then why did Germany lose both world wars?


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3.Englands Army from 1066 to 1900s: This Nation is among the greatest that ever existed, from the battle of Hastings to world war 2 this Nations army has stayed strong. They also had the best navy ever. They are very well drilled and disciplined which are one of the key ingredients of making a good army. With this they controlled over 1/5 of the worlds population at their greatest. They had a lot of colonies all around the world and has had a lot of victories.


Hastings? In the battle of Hastings England's army actually lost to a mixed Norman-French army.

And in WW2 British army had a series of military blunders - the biggest one being the Malayan Campaign (against Japan).

Also British Expeditionary Force in France, Norway and Greece; Operation Market Garden; combats against Rommel in Africa (finally Montgomery won, but due to large numerical and material superiority + US help); battles around Caen (British forces stuck for long time), etc.

Regarding the battle of France in 1940 - British forces lost nearly 100% of their equipment left behind in France. Large part of manpower was evacuated, but mostly by civilian boats. So Dunkirk is an achievement - but an achievement of British civilians, while a defeat of British army. And they rescued men, not an army (an army = men + equipment, and equipment was lost). British people often entirely blame France for the defeat of 1940, but as a matter of fact the Dunkirk escape was possible largely thanks to resistance of French forces at Lille (Siege of Lille 1940), which gave time for evacuation.

In the battle of Monte Cassino the British army also experienced many troubles against much weaker Germans.

In general performance of the British army in WW2 was rather moderate / decent - not bad but also not very good.

Some operations of RAF were also failures - for example initial period of bombing campaign against Germany.

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While when it comes to great British victories in WW2.

Here udoubtedly I would qualify the air battle over Britain, in which forces of RAF repulsed Luftwaffe, the defence of Malta and initial British victories in Africa against Italy (including Operation Compass - a similar blunder for the Italians as the Malayan Campaign was for the British).


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Originally posted by viperzz33



3.Englands Army from 1066 to 1900s: This Nation is among the greatest that ever existed, from the battle of Hastings to world war 2 this Nations army has stayed strong. They also had the best navy ever. They are very well drilled and disciplined which are one of the key ingredients of making a good army. With this they controlled over 1/5 of the worlds population at their greatest. They had a lot of colonies all around the world and has had a lot of victories.


England's claim to military prowess rests on 2 foundations.  First they established their primacy as a naval power against Spain and later over the Dutch (a surprisingly difficult process).  They were able to parlay this advantage and create a world spanning empire by seizing territory while simultaneously preventing others from doing the same.
Second under Marlborough in the 18th and Wellington in the 19th Centuries they created a credible ground force.  This army admittedly good could ONLY achieve its goals as part of a coalition.  Without Eugene does anyone claim that Marlborough would have emerged victorious against the French.  Or Wellington against Napoleon without Grouchy and the fear of the approaching Russians, Prussians and Austrians.
In the last century the definition of military futility would be a hard fought contest between the French and the British.  In WW I despite having the game changing technology (the tank) as early as 1916, they were unable to parlay it into success until 1918.  Their grand strategy would have seemed to find another nation to go to war every time they were at their wits end.  First Italy and then the US.
In WWII despite having more and better tanks than the Germans they were routed, fleeing France like a scalded cat.  In North Africa despite having enormous numerical superiority, air parity is not superiority, more and better armour, an enemy at the end of a supply line stretched to the nth degree and the bonus of Enigma intelligence they managed to stop Rommell by a cat's whisker.  At 2nd El Alamein despite even greater superiority across the board and the knowledge of impending US landings in Morocco, they were unable to successfully pursue a shattered German army fast enough to prevent it from creating a successful defense in Tunisia, thereby prolonging the war for at least 6 month.

In Sicily and Italy their operations could at best be described as pedestrian and plodding.

At D-day Montgomery despite weaker than expected resistance was unable to achieve the goals that he himself had set, leading to the prolonged Normandy campaign.  The inability to close the Falaise gap or to allow the Americans to do so prolonged the war considerably.  And the disaster of Market Garden was a classic exercise in snatching defeat out of the jaws of certain victory, not to mention the failure to simply read the intelligence reports and act on them.
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Well, quite interesting discussion and I really do not know why German Nazi Army was so great. There were greater armies in Germany in other times.
I do not know, if the armies have to be categorised after period of time because I would like to note them as they come into my mind:

1. Macedon Army under Alexander the Great

2. The Egyptian Army of the New Kingdom, after the Hyksos had introduced chariots and horses

3. Carthage Army under Hannibal

4. Roman Army

5. Huns Army under Attila, causing the great migration of peoples

6. Army of the Frankish Empire (France) under Charlemagne

7. Mongol Army under Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan

8. The Great Kurd Sultan Saladin, Commander-in-Chief of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Nubia and more, re-conquered Jerusalem

9. The German Army under Frederick II, the Great from Prussia.

10. Grand Napoleonean Army









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