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Heraclius
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Topic: The "wicked and evil " Turks-1453 Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 15:38 |
Typical Venetians indeed, never has there been such a group of greedy, backstabbing people like the Venetians, much of what makes Venice, is stolen or bought with other peoples gold.
I have nothing but my contempt for the medieval venetians.
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 16:03 |
isnt the tetrach statue stolen from istanbul in venice right now?
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 17:38 |
There are turkish here, they can confirm that.
In Istanbul there is a quarteer named Galata. It was the genoese head quarteer in byzantine empire, from where they ruled the commerce, the emperor and the straits to black sea, that have been called "a genoese lake" with the installations of Caffa, Sevastopol, Trabzon, Azov, etc...
In Galata genoese built the "tower of the Christ" now known simply as tower of Galata. It have been the last bastion against ottoman soldiers and the general commisioned to defend the walls of costantinople was the genoese Giovanni Giustiniani.
In honor of genoese turkish wrote a commemorative tablet, fixed up the tower.
The reticence of venetians was a revenge against their etern enemy genoese, that in 1261 subtracted them the control of the byzantine empire withe the treaty of Nympheum. Genoese colonies (specially Chios) in Aegean isles carry on untill XVII century.
galata tower today
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The turkish insription: <29 MAYS /(1453)/ SALI SABAHI / CENEVIZLERIN / GALATA / KOLONISI /ANAHTARLARINI / FATIH SULTAN /MEHMED' E /TAKDIM ETMIS / VE GALATININ / TESLIMI /I HAZIRAN CUMA / GUNU TAMAM /LAN MISIDIR>
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 19:20 |
Originally posted by ill_teknique
isnt the tetrach statue stolen from istanbul in venice right now?
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Yup, one of the many things the Venetians looted in 1204. The four horses of St.Marks Cathedral used to stand in the Hippodrome of Constantinople.
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Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 20:48 |
The horses are now on the top of St Marc Cathedral in Venice.
http://members.aol.com/eokamoto31/sanmarco.htm
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 11:16 |
Originally posted by Temujin
Originally posted by Jagatai Khan
Ibrahim Mteferrika |
Mntefering? |
Actually we don't know the real name of Ibrahim Mteferrika,this name is
his chosen name after being converted to islam. He
set up his printing facility in a part of Istanbul
named Madsar Mehalle (hungarian outskirt or hungarian part of town).
What we know for sure is what he sais in Risale-i Islamije:
I, a pure and modest servant, I was born in Hungary, in the town of
Kolozsvr.
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In the time of of Ibrahim Mteferrika, especially after the revolution of R koczi II was defeated by the austrians many hungarians emigrated to Turkey (especially hungarian unitarians ), even R koczi II spent his exile in Tekirdag until his dead in 1735.
From 1718 Ibrahim Mteferrika was the tranlater and secretary in turkish
affairs of R koczi II.
Ibrahim Mteferrika is believed to be originally a hungarian unitarian.
In his time many hungarian unitarians were living in Turkey .
Unitarian faith believes only in one god and denies the holy trinity.
It is supposed that's why he converted so easily to islam.
Unitarianism in Europe is the religion only of hungarians and the majority
of unitarians are living in Transylvania. In Transylvania only hungarians are of unitarian faith and this is true also for the calvinist faith. (The other name of Calvinist faith is the Reformed ).
The literature on Ibrahim Mteferrika (including turkish one) holds that he was originally a hungarian unitarian.
In german on Mteferrika :
http://www.literaturca.de/html/muteferrika.html
In hungarian: members.iif.hu/visontay/ponticulus/limes/muteferrika.html
In turkish
http://www.kimkimdir.gen.tr/kimkimdir.php?id=206
In english:
http://terebess.hu/english/orient.html
http://www.masterliness.com/a/Ibrahim.Muteferrika.htm
www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/I/Ib/Ibrahim_Muteferr ika.htm
There is an interesting article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/ chap1/whatwentwrong.htm
Here comes up also Mteferrika.
Another famous convert was a Hungarian seminarist, probably
Unitarian, known in Turkish annals as Ibrahim Mteferrika. Ibrahim's
original family name is unknown; Mteferrika is a title, indicating
membership of a kind of elite guard corps attached to the sultan's
person.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 13:05 |
Originally posted by gerik
Is it Urban/Orban name a common German name?
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It's not that terribly common, but not unusual either. The most famous bearer of the name was Adolf Urban, football player in the 30s for Germany and Germany's greatest team ever, FC Schalke O4, who won the championship no less than six times in that decade.
I've no idea, if Adolf Urban was a descendant of the famous Engineer Urban, but considering the might and velocity of his feared free-kicks, there might be a connection.
Ada Urban, Schalkes Kanone
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 13:16 |
Originally posted by gerik
Actiually the name Orbn is a hungarian name.
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There is also a the possibily that Orban might be the Hungarian variation of the name Urban, that derived from the Latin noun "urbis", the town or city, and from the adjektiv "urbanus" , meaning, finully enough, urban.
Urban was and is a very common Christian name, notably that of no less than eight Popes.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 13:30 |
To quote
http://andreorban.tripod.com/orbetym.html
the hungarian etymology is:
- According to some sources, the
Hungarian etymology is the same as the Belgian
one: the Hungarian name Orbn is derived from the latin
name urbanus.
Initially, Urbanus became Urban, often written Vrban during the XVth
and
XVIth centuries: the name later evolved into Orban, and finally
Orbn.
Originally it was a Christian name (there is a St. Orbn) that
later
became a family name. Apparently, it is still used as a Christian name
in Hungary, but this is now fairly rare.
- For other sources, there is a
truly
Hungarian etymology to the name: Orbn
is a combination of Or(r) and Ban. Ban is the
Hungarian
word for chieftain/headman (minor nobility), whereas Orr means
nose.
Does it mean that the Orbn's were noblemen with a big
nose
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By the way hungarians put the surname first and after that the christian name. The name Orbn is used mostly as family name.
So in english or german order you put the names as Viktor Orbn,
Balzs Orbn,but in hungarian no.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 10:31 |
Also it is know fact that many hungarians have kun (cumman, also a turkish tribe) ancestors,especially the inhabitants of the Hungarian region Kiskunsg. |
Cumans are the only Turkic tribe with blonde / red hair. They have such a specialty.
By the way, you know that Indo-European languages have somehow a common root. And considering the fact that Greece and Hungary are geographically close, it is quite likely that Urban name could be used in both cultures, mutated in order to accomply with each languages phonetics, of course..
What's more, I hope I'm welcome. That's my first post here. I'm already informed a lot in one single topic.
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Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 19:57 |
Welcome, though if my intuition serves me Urban seems to have been more of a Latin name, seeing as it was so popular in the West. With the collapse of the West Roman Empire, names seem to have developed or been indepently alot in the East and West. We see the name Andronicus, for example, used early on in Rome yet only living on in Byzantium to the best of my knowledge.
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Posted: 21-Sep-2005 at 03:44 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
We see the name Andronicus, for example, used early on in Rome yet only living on in Byzantium to the best of my knowledge. |
My aunt is called Andronice and her husband Lychimachus! (only I got to take this boring name)
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Posted: 21-Sep-2005 at 08:59 |
Wow, now that's continuity! I have a mono-syllable Anglo name which dates to the 19th century. After a party one day a Greek girl was with me and 6 friends and gave the equivilent of each of their names in Greek. Then it came to my turn and she just shrugged.
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Posted: 24-Sep-2005 at 17:49 |
you speak same as hitler constaninopolis fall down istanbul rise
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Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
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Posted: 24-Sep-2005 at 18:25 |
Originally posted by gerik
Is it Urban/Orban name a common German name?
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more or less, when I was in the air-force, there was a master-sergeant named Urban...
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Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 13:50 |
Temujin are you really a cuban or just a fan of Che?
What air-force were you in?
Cuba libre!
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Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 15:40 |
Im just a Che supporter, I was in the Luftwaffe of course.
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Bosnjaci,probudite se ili nestanite
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