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Topic: Bears in Britain Posted: 24-Aug-2012 at 21:38 |
When did the bear become extinct in Britain? I have read (but without
any sources given) that the Romans preferred to use Scottish bears as
entertainment in the Colosseum at Rome, because they were fiercer. Also
that bears were still in Ireland until the 10th century.
Are there any myths of the Irish/British/Scottish that refer to
bears? Or records of bear encounters the older histories and chronicles?
These questions were prompted by seeing a number of Pictish stones
with bears carved onto them. These could be from cultural memories, or
imported stories (from the Vikings?), but I wonder.
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Posted: 25-Aug-2012 at 03:29 |
Try the following: www.bearbiology.com/fileadmin/.../Kai_Curry-Lindahl_74-83.pdf
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Posted: 25-Aug-2012 at 09:29 |
Well, deja vu!! - Exactly my words but with someone else's name.:-)
See: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31377&KW=bears
Maybe it'lll generate some new interest, but seems a waste as there's an existing thread. Cheers for the link CV.
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Posted: 25-Aug-2012 at 11:36 |
apparently sometime between 500 and 1000 AD
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 07:36 |
One theory suggests King Arthur was named after a bear
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 16:57 |
That's only because there were no Smilodon fatalis in ancient Britain.
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 18:06 |
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That's only because there were no Smilodon fatalis in ancient Britain. |
They were too scared of the Cave Lions to come to Europe..
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 18:25 |
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That's only because there were no Smilodon fatalis in ancient Britain. |
They were too scared of the Cave Lions to come to Europe.. |
Yupper...the ole Panthera leo spelaea. Always wondered who won when they went into the den of Ursus spelaeus. To bad we were not around swilling 'cave beer'...well out of reach of course..to view that one. probably like a modern rugby match.
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 19:38 |
No idea with these two, in but in the old Lion vs Tiger fight thing, everyone backs tigers, but in recorded history almost every encounter was won by the lion. This is because lions fight each other regularly and have evolved to fight a face to face in a brawl, but tigers avoid each other and are ambush predators used to attacking prey from behind, so have no brawling ability.
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Posted: 09-Oct-2012 at 22:20 |
Well in that case probably the bear...for they do today the same thing...as lions. Tis why there's only one dominant male in a selected area. Hence my 'cave beer best speculation' is their ancestors on the gigantica size did the same.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 08:08 |
The only wild cat in Britain at that time was the lynx in Scotland and Yorkshire. We did have other fierce wild beasts though: in addition to bears there were wolves and wild boar
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Posted: 11-Oct-2012 at 14:33 |
Lura, from Daybreak 2250AD, was a golden Lynx........
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Posted: 21-Nov-2012 at 10:46 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
One theory suggests King Arthur was named after a bear |
It is not a theory - 'arth' means 'bear' in modern cymraeg ('Welsh'). For my money, general Ambrosius Aurelianus used a bearskin for a 'signum' so that his men could recognise him in battle, and his British -speaking soldiers called him 'the Bear'. Incidentally, one of the very first poetic references to Arthur call him not by the barbarian title 'king' but 'amaradeur' - 'emperor', such as late-Roman troops regularly proclaimed their leaders on a victorious battlefield. The numbers might have been small by then, but the rituals were understood.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2012 at 12:18 |
The troops proclaimed their generals imperator not emperor. Imperator is a military rank similar to field marshal given to general who commanded whole regions of the empire.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2012 at 14:38 |
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The troops proclaimed their generals imperator not emperor. Imperator is a military rank similar to field marshal given to general who commanded whole regions of the empire. |
By that date I'd guess that the soldiers - who would mostly have come from up beyond the wall - would probably have been as ignorant of the distinction as I am. As I understand it, though, 'amaradeur' is taken to mean emperor.
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Posted: 22-Nov-2012 at 19:29 |
Originally posted by Iolo
Originally posted by Nick1986
One theory suggests King Arthur was named after a bear |
It is not a theory - 'arth' means 'bear' in modern cymraeg ('Welsh'). For my money, general Ambrosius Aurelianus used a bearskin for a 'signum' so that his men could recognise him in battle, and his British -speaking soldiers called him 'the Bear'. Incidentally, one of the very first poetic references to Arthur call him not by the barbarian title 'king' but 'amaradeur' - 'emperor', such as late-Roman troops regularly proclaimed their leaders on a victorious battlefield. The numbers might have been small by then, but the rituals were understood.
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Did Ambrosius ever fight on behalf of the reigning emperor against rebel Roman generals in Gaul?
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Posted: 23-Nov-2012 at 13:16 |
Originally posted by Iolo
Originally posted by Nick1986
One theory suggests King Arthur was named after a bear |
It is not a theory - 'arth' means 'bear' in modern cymraeg ('Welsh'). For my money, general Ambrosius Aurelianus used a bearskin for a 'signum' so that his men could recognise him in battle, and his British -speaking soldiers called him 'the Bear'.
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Presumably a British bearskin? Meaning bears were still around in Britain in the 5th-6th Century AD.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2013 at 12:35 |
What happened to the original thread of this? It no longer seems to exist, and I was looking for a source I quoted within it.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2013 at 12:54 |
Dunno Sid...ya might query red viz PM for a file check. CV
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Posted: 09-Jan-2013 at 09:37 |
This is all there is, unless there is an older thread that would be in the old archive. Made prior to july 09.
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