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Topic: Aserdaten, Does Anyone Recognise Posted: 07-Jul-2012 at 14:46 |
Does anyone here recognise this name? To me it appears to be dutch or possibly German. I belong to a NJ forum on the Pinelands. There is seemingly a controversey about this long forgotten spot on the map. It's location, in the middle of a swamp, and some legends that exist, have fascinated folks for decades. I was thinking if I could identify the language it belongs to, it might help to clear up some things. The myth is that it belonged to a man named Asa Dayton, who had some kind of an experimental deer breeding station there. That's been shot to pieces over the years and we come back to- Aserdaten.
Any ideas?
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 03:41 |
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No idea about the name but as for your new sig (which I have myself used on this forum as a sig too), it was Samuel Johnson who said it.
Edited by Toltec - 08-Jul-2012 at 03:43
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 08:39 |
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| A bit of determination and hard work can sometimes pay off, especially for the ghost town hunter. Just today I had finished an article about the legend of Aserdaten, the forgotten town near the Eureka Gun Club in the Forked River Mountains. I had explored the area yesterday and, despite the success of finding Black’s Stone near the Chamberlain Branch at Eureka Gun Club, had come no closer to finding out any new information about the history of Aserdaten. For over 20 years Beck had been unsuccessful in finding out anything more than a vague and sinister story of a man named Asa Dayton who was murdered because the deer that he was raising in a pen on his property broke free one day and ravaged the little farms that once dotted the landscape in the Forked River mountains. It had been hinted by ever so slightly by Dolf Arens, then the caretaker at the Eureka Gun Club, that he had been murdered and buried in a grave near the door to the club. It seemed that the matter had been put to rest. By the time the story was published in the Newark Star Ledger and later in the book “Jersey Genesis” it seemed like Beck’s theory of the murder of Asa Dayton was correct. It took one of his readers to finally share the correct information regarding the truth of Aserdaten. Unfortunately this information hasn’t really seen the light of day since it was published in 1959, just six years before Beck’s death. I was fortunate to come across this article, written after Jersey Genesis was published, that finally tells the truth about Aserdaten. Asa Dayton was a man who did tend a deer farm at Aserdaten for the Stuyvesant Estate. The deer that Asa Dayton raised were red deer, a non-native species. It would be several years later before the state would begin breeding the same type of deer. Besides raising deer, the Stuyvesant Estate was also involved with winemaking and cultivated grapes throughout the area. Dayton died a natural death, luckily escaping the terrible fate that Beck and others hinted at. After his death, a second caretaker Henry Branson took over. It was one of Branson’s ancestors who finally corrected Beck. Branson lived at Aserdaten as late as 1884, leaving for the town of Forked River as an old man. The house where Henry Branson lived in burnt down one Halloween, leaving just an empty clearing and the remains of the deer pen, the operation having ceased before the Stuyvesant Estate was sold in 1909. Beck claims that as recent as the 1950s there was a remarkable clearing and cellar hole. Today there is no trace of people ever living there. Aserdaten exists only as a name on old maps, it’s last great mystery now solved. | http://www.njpinebarrens.com/the-true-story-of-aserdaten/
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 08:56 |
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Yes, that's the same site also. I still don't buy the Asa Dayton thing. I was looking for something that might make some sense of this. The time frames don't fit. Aserdaten is on maps going back to before the Stuyvesant estate.
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 09:33 |
Have you seen this, red, with an alternative spelling of Aserdaten?
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 11:33 |
Alani, those folks on the Pinelands forum are, for the most part, serious researchers. There are several who actually have located the markers mentioned in this doc.
I don't know if you know much about the regions involved here. It always surprises folks when they find out about uninhabited wild areas within an hour of Philadelphia. You will see threads about places such as Martha's, Batsto and others.
These were all early iron smelts, furnaces if you will. The Jersey pinelands were the industrial heartland of the Colonies. Hard to think that when you go there today. It is also a 300 year old example of reforestation after clear cutting and strip mining. People used to wonder why so many of the "natural bogs" were rectangular in shape, strip mining is the reason. Bog Iron exists near the surface and was fairly easy to get to. What happened eventually was that they started to run out of timberlands from which to manufacture charcoal for the furnaces. Coal was discovered in Pennsylvania and other parts of the Colonies and gradually the Iron industry migrated. The Glass industry, [NJ had the first Glass Houses in the Colonies, Casper Wistar opened the first in Alloway] hung on for some time after.
New Jersey has long been famous for it's "Forgotten Towns". Dots on the map, that were once thriving towns, or the remainders of somones dreams that didn't quite make it. I have written about Archaeology and History out your back door, approx. 2 miles from my home is one of those dots, Actually my house sits on one. Irish Wharf is what the area where my home is now was called in the 1800's - early 20's. The dot 2 miles away was a town called "Texas". Population at it's peak was roughly 200. Texas was where the first mass produced phosphorus tipped kitchen matches were made. The Rancocas River was navigable back then. They brought shiploads of raw phosphorus into "The Port of Rancocas". Another dot.
In the 1890's Diamond Match bought out the factory, workers houses, company store, everything. They shut the plant down and dismantled everything, factory houses, everything. After the Turnpike went through there wasn't even a cellar hole to show a town had been there. If it wasn't this type of action,forest fires and economic "panics" did in other "dots".
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 18:19 |
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Seems like the name Usher Dayton written by an uneducated dutch miner.
Or more possibly a message from the future, just read aserdaten backwards :)
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 19:27 |
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Has it always been spelt Aserdaton? Were there earlier spellings that might indicate another pronunciation and give clues to a language/origin?
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 at 13:45 |
Originally posted by benzin
Seems like the name Usher Dayton written by an uneducated dutch miner. Or more possibly a message from the future, just read aserdaten backwards :) |
Okay, what message is netadresa?
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 at 13:55 |
Originally posted by Sidney
Has it always been spelt Aserdaton? Were there earlier spellings that might indicate another pronunciation and give clues to a language/origin? |
The place name has always been Aserdaten. I was hoping one of you folks might be able to give some alternate meanings or origins. The confusion exists due to somone involved there at one time, named Asa Dayton. I don't buy the "folk legend". As I stated before, the time frames don't fit.
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 at 14:04 |
Try this but remember to use translate. According to this site Aser is Hebrew. daten is a plural form of 'date' in German iirc. But that makes little sense. No help...going south now.
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Posted: 25-Jul-2012 at 19:19 |
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Perhaps "Aserdaten" was the name of one of the early Dutch colonists?
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Posted: 26-Jul-2012 at 07:24 |
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I just remembered a name Asa, which a number of people have had. This also has a meaning of doctor/healer.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2012 at 19:11 |
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A Jewish name popular among 17th century Puritans, i believe. Daten could be derived from Dayton: Dairy town or settlement. The place may have originally simply been called Aser's Dairy
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