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Topic: Macedonians in the Olympics? Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 17:01 |
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"Greece, Macedon, Rome and other cultures such as Celtic and Germanic tribes"
Objection, your honour! Macedon was part of ancient Greece.
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Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 17:28 |
Originally posted by TITAN_
"Greece, Macedon, Rome and other cultures such as Celtic and Germanic tribes"
Objection, your honour! Macedon was part of ancient Greece.
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This is always a difficult one, TITAN, as there was talk about Macedonian men not being able to enter the Olympic games, because they were not considered Greek, that is unless on an individual basis had some proof of a blood connection.
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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
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Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 17:34 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
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"Greece, Macedon, Rome and other cultures such as Celtic and Germanic tribes"
Objection, your honour! Macedon was part of ancient Greece.
| This is always a difficult one, TITAN, as there was talk about Macedonian men not being able to enter the Olympic games, because they were not considered Greek, that is unless on an individual basis had some proof of a blood connection.
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That's not true. Macedonians were allowed to enter the Olympics. Hellanodikae judged every Greek's ethnic origins not only that of Macedonians! The kingdom of Macedon just like the kingdom of Epirus were a bit distant from the rest of Greece, but they were definitely part of ancient Greece.
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Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 17:36 |
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Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 18:07 |
Originally posted by TITAN_
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Originally posted by TITAN_
"Greece, Macedon, Rome and other cultures such as Celtic and Germanic tribes"
Objection, your honour! Macedon was part of ancient Greece.
| This is always a difficult one, TITAN, as there was talk about Macedonian men not being able to enter the Olympic games, because they were not considered Greek, that is unless on an individual basis had some proof of a blood connection. |
That's not true. Macedonians were allowed to enter the Olympics. Hellanodikae judged every Greek's ethnic origins not only that of Macedonians!
The kingdom of Macedon just like the kingdom of Epirus were a bit distant from the rest of Greece, but they were definitely part of ancient Greece.
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I didn't say Macedonian people weren't allowed in the Olympics, TITAN, only that their qualification was to have some proof of having some Greek blood within them. I think it was Alexander the Great, or his Father Philip who qualified through one relative being seen to be Greek. To me that would suggest some ambiguity in this idea of them being Greek at the time.
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Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 18:15 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
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Originally posted by TITAN_
"Greece, Macedon, Rome and other cultures such as Celtic and Germanic tribes"
Objection, your honour! Macedon was part of ancient Greece.
| This is always a difficult one, TITAN, as there was talk about Macedonian men not being able to enter the Olympic games, because they were not considered Greek, that is unless on an individual basis had some proof of a blood connection. |
That's not true. Macedonians were allowed to enter the Olympics. Hellanodikae judged every Greek's ethnic origins not only that of Macedonians!
The kingdom of Macedon just like the kingdom of Epirus were a bit distant from the rest of Greece, but they were definitely part of ancient Greece.
| I didn't say Macedonian people weren't allowed in the Olympics, TITAN, only that their qualification was to have some proof of having some Greek blood within them. I think it was Alexander the Great, or his Father Philip who qualified through one relative being seen to be Greek. To me that would suggest some ambiguity in this idea of them being Greek at the time.
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Again, that is not true. Every Greek athlete had to prove his Greek identity in order to enter the Olympics. That includes Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians alike....
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Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 19:08 |
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Titan, i have moved this discussion to Ancient History as the "suggestion box" is for discussing improvements to allempires, not historical topics
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Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 05:44 |
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Titan, i have moved this discussion to Ancient History as the "suggestion box" is for discussing improvements to allempires, not historical topics
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I just felt strange when I read the subtitle about Greece AND Macedon as distinct cultures.  The kingdom of Macedon was one of many Hellenic kingdoms. Both archaeology and historical accounts attest to that!
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Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 06:35 |
MaKeDoNi=Supportive approval widths(distances)&spaces courage! HeLeNi=Defensive image courages! It is very interesting fact that there were no names:Greek&Persians in ancient scripts also many others as name of Macedonia dates from Roman period!Where did The Truth hide itself!
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Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 08:46 |
Originally posted by medenaywe
MaKeDoNi=Supportive approval widths(distances)&spaces courage! HeLeNi=Defensive image courages! It is very interesting fact that there were no names:Greek&Persians in ancient scripts also many others as name of Macedonia dates from Roman period!Where did The Truth hide itself!
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Actually, Macedon comes from Makednos = tall, highlander.  It's from a Northern Greek dialect... Hellenic derives from Hellas. The etymology is uncertain and speculations are just too many to list! The name Macedonia predates the Roman period. It comes from Greek classical sources....
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Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 10:24 |
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Is it MaKeDNoS or MaKeDoNos,TiTaN? MaKeDoNoS=Supportive approval widths/distances/spaces careful presence! MaKeDNoS=Supportive approval gifts attentive/careful presence! If You ask me personal MaKeDoNi looks very fitting!But...anyway..What did they approve those days?In Middle East they are also known as Makedoni...Alexander fought war similar as crusader's wars in nearest past.According the words Goddess He had protected against which God?In India Buddhism had existed before he came.ALiKSaNDaRiS in Babylonian clay tablets fights also with believers of another religion?!? Which one?!?Resurrection is disputable here!?!
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Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 13:41 |
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Makednos is the name. Makedonos means OF MAKEDNOS.
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Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 19:17 |
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When Alexander tried to participate in the Olympics the snobby Greek athletes refused to compete with him because they saw the Macedonians as barbarians. Eventually the officials came to an agreement Alexander was of Greek descent and classified him as an Argive
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 10:20 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
When Alexander tried to participate in the Olympics the snobby Greek athletes refused to compete with him because they saw the Macedonians as barbarians. Eventually the officials came to an agreement Alexander was of Greek descent and classified him as an Argive
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That doesn't mean much though.... Non-Greeks lived even in Athens  (slaves or foreign visitors).
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 10:37 |
And Hindu trading companies were installed all around Med sea area!
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 10:47 |
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And Hindu trading companies were installed all around Med sea area!
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More like the other way around..... The ancient Greeks advanced into India in the 4th century BC.
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 11:00 |
Agree but timing is disputable as always.  Hindu people were here from the very beginning but percentage and time period of Great Hindu migrations we do not know.Was it during Great Empires of Rome&Byzantine ?!?!?
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 at 11:03 |
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Agree but timing is disputable as always. Hindu people were here from the very beginning but percentage and time period of Great Hindu migrations we do not know.Was it during Great Empires of Rome&Byzantine ?!?!?
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Hindu migrations? From the very beginning? Never heard of that before.....
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Posted: 16-Jul-2012 at 19:16 |
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Agree but timing is disputable as always. Hindu people were here from the very beginning but percentage and time period of Great Hindu migrations we do not know.Was it during Great Empires of Rome&Byzantine ?!?!?
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If there were Hindus in Greece, surely they would have been excluded from the Olympics as only Greeks were allowed to compete?
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Posted: 16-Jul-2012 at 20:04 |
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Obviously there were no Hindus in ancient Greece...
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