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    Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 00:06
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The Medes were East Iranian speakers, and if that's the case, how can they be the ancestors of the Baloch if they're northwestern Iranic speakers?  Is the epyonym Baloch related to Skr. Bahlika Pash. Balkh, present day Bactria?


Medes were Northwestern iranic speakers, like the Kurds and Baloch and other northwestern Iranic population descended from them.
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  Quote mojobadshah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 12:46
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Originally posted by mojobadshah



The Medes were East Iranian speakers, and if that's the case, how can they be the ancestors of the Baloch if they're northwestern Iranic speakers?  Is the epyonym Baloch related to Skr. Bahlika Pash. Balkh, present day Bactria?


Medes were Northwestern iranic speakers, like the Kurds and Baloch and other northwestern Iranic population descended from them.

Didn't the Medes speak a language that was closer to Avestan and Scythic languages than Persian?
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  Quote PakistaniShield Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 14:19
Originally posted by mojobadshah



The Medes were East Iranian speakers, and if that's the case, how can they be the ancestors of the Baloch if they're northwestern Iranic speakers?  Is the epyonym Baloch related to Skr. Bahlika Pash. Balkh, present day Bactria?


Nope those were the ancestors of the Pakhtuns. Pakhtuns speak an eastern iranic language closer to Avestan. The medes spanned across most of modern day Iran right up till eastern Anatolia (today's Turkey). The Balochis are most likely an off-shoot of Median tribes who roamed and settled eastward.

Here's a map of the Median empire: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/median/median.php


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  Quote PakistaniShield Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 14:24
Originally posted by mojobadshah



Didn't the Medes speak a language that was closer to Avestan and Scythic languages than Persian?


The Scythian languages were Northern Iranic languages, not Eastern like Avestan or Pakhtun.

Scythian spanned the Northern Eurasian steppes along present day Russia, Kazakhstan, Siberia, Mongolia, Ukraine etc. They did move southward to invade the Persian empire I believe  but that was later.


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  Quote Ince Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2013 at 09:45
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Originally posted by mojobadshah



Didn't the Medes speak a language that was closer to Avestan and Scythic languages than Persian?


The Scythian languages were Northern Iranic languages, not Eastern like Avestan or Pakhtun.

Scythian spanned the Northern Eurasian steppes along present day Russia, Kazakhstan, Siberia, Mongolia, Ukraine etc. They did move southward to invade the Persian empire I believe  but that was later.


The term Scythian was also likely also applied to Non-Iranic tribes in the North aswell.  I doubt all groups that lived under what was Scythia were Iranic speaking.  It be like saying every group under the Ottomans were Turks.   

Language of the Iranic speaking Scythians is not known much, it could be that some spoke neither East Or West Iranian language.  The East and West drift is rather recent thing the history of the Iranic languages and many of them influenced eachother. 

In this article the person finds that Kurdish languages have a close tie to Scythian, even tho Kurdish is classed as West Iranian.

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/StetsyukHtm/StetsyukB2ch5En.htm

The Saka were also heavly present in the Middle-East earleir then you might think.  Their capital was in Saqqez,Kurdistan Province Iran.  I believe there was contact between the Iranian speaking people around the Black sea and the Iranians of the Middle-East.  Like for example the Alans are known to have been in the middle-east as Kurdish regions were called "Ard'Alan" and the Name Alan is also popular among some Kurds.  

It could be that the reason Ossetiens call themselves "Iron" could be the ancient interaction between Alans in Greater Iran and the Alans in the North caucasus.


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Baluch are not Arabs and not Persians, Baloches from Kurdistan, they were neighbors of Arabs, Europeans and Caucasians, and had trade contacts with ancient India, therefore in the 20th century, British historians confused them with the Arabs, with the Indians, with the Turkomans. Baluch and Kurds are the first Aryans in the ancient Assyrian inscriptions are referred to as Karduhu and Balluhu.
There are no differences between Kurds and Baluchs, for example, Baluchs are close to Kurds, as were the Parthians who were very close to the Medes in language and culture, but the Parthians, in contrast to the Medes, wandered to different places at different times and Baloch nomads, but Balochs want to change their history and go to the Arabs, this policy is just to destroy their history ...
The Baluchs believe that they come from medieval Arabs from Syria to seek revenge on the Yazid they sought help, or fled from a terrible war between Ali and the infidels, the Baluchs claim that they were Ali warriors, if so? Then there is one fact that confirm it! Between the wars of Ali and Kafirs there was a lot of bloodshed, most of the warriors Ali abandoned this, and Ali called them Harejitas, under the Gaznavid power in Makran (Baluchistan) there was a state of the Madanid dynasty, which the Arabs called Harejits, but Gardezi mentions them as the country of Balush .. .


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