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    Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 16:25
just watched new film of troy with brad pitt...etc........i know troy supposedly was somewhere on what we now know to be part of turkey....i play rome total war a lot.........what do other people think?
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  Quote Cassivellaunus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 22:02

It is already a known fact that Troy existed (archaeologists indeed located the ruins in the north-west of Turkey).

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/troy.htm

However, whether or not Brad Pitt conquered it remains to be proven...

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  Quote Capt. Lubber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 03:07
Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy
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  Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 12:30

Yes, Troy most certainly existed

http://www.iit.edu/~agunsal/truva/truva/truva.html

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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 14:09

Originally posted by Capt. Lubber

Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy

I thought it was the first one

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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 14:13
Funny story about troy.The guy that found troy had the objective his whole life.Then he came to turkey and there was a hill,called hisarlk(the place of castles)and he began to dig....
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  Quote Perseas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 15:49

Originally posted by Capt. Lubber

Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy

Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it was destroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions.

Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described.

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Originally posted by aknc

Funny story about troy.The guy that found troy had the objective his whole life.Then he came to turkey and there was a hill,called hisarlk(the place of castles)and he began to dig....

 

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-May-2005 at 11:19
Originally posted by Aeolus

Originally posted by Capt. Lubber

Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy


Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it wasdestroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions.


Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described.



Well, "Illion"/whatever the town's called as Troy is only a theory (though the most widely accepted one), so it is possible none of the towns buried on Hisarlik hill is the Troy of Homeros.

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-May-2005 at 12:43
Aye, the fact that someone found some ruins and some golden treasures doesnt mean that it was Troy from Homer's tale.
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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-May-2005 at 15:28
Originally posted by Aeolus

Originally posted by Capt. Lubber

Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy

Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it was destroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions.

Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described.

yes aelous you are extremely correct.Truy six was destroyed by earthquake and matches homer's description.The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse statue to show their gratefullness

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The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse statue to show their gratefullness


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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2005 at 07:00

They found a Hittite city and called it Troy. No evidence has ever been found to back the claim. Also a couple of other cities down the coast have as good claim, the geography being much closer to what Homer describes.

I wonder if in a thousand years times Archaeologists will be searching for the remains of The Shire?

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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2005 at 09:29

Originally posted by Phallanx

The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse statue to show their gratefullness


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the shire?
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Wikipedia

It did exist, it was near the entrance to the Hellespont. There is reason to believe Troy VII to be the most likely candidate.

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  Quote King_Cyrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 14:44

 

Troy probly did exist, but Homer likes to romaticize tales.  It seems one of the Troys was destroyed by a Earth quake and a latter one was destroyed by eiter the Hittites or the Greek people known as the "Sea People".  Or it may have bin a Greek army who destroyed it but it wasnt for Helen it was most likly for control of the port which the Trojens got extremly weathy from by taxing ships that traveled trough the area.

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Of course it existed, archaeological evidence exists to prove that. It was positioned in an econmically important area and was a viable place of settlement. It continued to be inhabited up to the 1st century AD when it appears to have been abandoned, having suffered from a series of earthquakes over its long history.
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  Quote Onkel_Wowa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 18:46
Why Troy was looked for in Turkey? May be, because Great Britain needed good maps of the area for future WW1?
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