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Topic: did the city of troy really exist? Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 06:34 |
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Posted: 23-Sep-2005 at 03:10 |
There're many theories about the existence on not of Homer, even the possibility that there were many "Homers" and that it was not really a name but a profession, that of the storyteller. But that was not our topic in this thread. However if you feel like elaborating, please go ahead!
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Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 23:21 |
lol u all say like homer was the one that wrote the illiad and odessy. there is a lot of evidence that says he didnt. for instance the illiad is filled with different writing styles than the odessy. also the odessy makes reference to iron weapons whereas the illiad did not
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Posted: 20-Sep-2005 at 03:11 |
Originally posted by Onkel_Wowa
Why Troy was looked for in Turkey? |
Because Homer described it as being close to the Hellespont, (Dardanelles) and gave more descriptions on its whereabouts. More ancient historians gave directions to the tomb of Achilles, near by and people (like Alexander the great) would go to offer sacrifices. Later on, after the decline of the Greek world, this knowledge was lost and the location of Troy was (temporarily) lost. But everyone knew, because of the ancient writers' accounts that it was located in modern-day Turkey.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 22:06 |
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Posted: 19-Sep-2005 at 18:46 |
Why Troy was looked for in Turkey? May be, because Great Britain needed good maps of the area for future WW1?
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Posted: 18-Sep-2005 at 21:45 |
Of course it existed, archaeological evidence exists to prove that. It was positioned in an econmically important area and was a viable place of settlement. It continued to be inhabited up to the 1st century AD when it appears to have been abandoned, having suffered from a series of earthquakes over its long history.
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Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 14:44 |
Troy probly did exist, but Homer likes to romaticize tales. It seems one of the Troys was destroyed by a Earth quake and a latter one was destroyed by eiter the Hittites or the Greek people known as the "Sea People". Or it may have bin a Greek army who destroyed it but it wasnt for Helen it was most likly for control of the port which the Trojens got extremly weathy from by taxing ships that traveled trough the area.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 08:04 |
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It did exist, it was near the entrance to the Hellespont. There is reason to believe Troy VII to be the most likely candidate.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 09:29 |
Originally posted by Phallanx
The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse statue to show their gratefullness |
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 07:00 |
They found a Hittite city and called it Troy. No evidence has ever been found to back the claim. Also a couple of other cities down the coast have as good claim, the geography being much closer to what Homer describes.
I wonder if in a thousand years times Archaeologists will be searching for the remains of The Shire?
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 16:29 |
The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in
their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when
the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse
statue to show their gratefullness |
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 15:28 |
Originally posted by Aeolus
Originally posted by Capt. Lubber
Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy |
Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it was destroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions.
Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described.
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yes aelous you are extremely correct.Truy six was destroyed by earthquake and matches homer's description.The trojan horse comes from that,the god that causes earthquakes in their myth(dunno wich one)sometimes took the shape of a horse.So when the gares were battered by the earthquake,they lefta wooden horse statue to show their gratefullness
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 12:43 |
Aye, the fact that someone found some ruins and some golden treasures doesnt mean that it was Troy from Homer's tale.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 11:19 |
Originally posted by Aeolus
Originally posted by Capt. Lubber
Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy |
Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it wasdestroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions.
Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described. |
Well, "Illion"/whatever the town's called as Troy is only a theory (though the most widely accepted one), so it is possible none of the towns buried on Hisarlik hill is the Troy of Homeros.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 07:10 |
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Funny story about troy.The guy that found troy had the objective his whole life.Then he came to turkey and there was a hill,called hisarlk(the place of castles)and he began to dig.... |
Scliemann was a very stubbon person. Do you know how he learnt the many languages he knew? He just took a book in that certain language he did not know at all but wanted to learn, a dictionary and possibly a grammar, and started to translate the book word by word, sentence by sentence, with great patience and will.
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 15:49 |
Originally posted by Capt. Lubber
Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy |
Troy 7 indeed seemed to to Archaeologists that it was destroyed by humans but as the reports were saying also, it didnt match Homer's Descriptions.
Some say it was Troy 6 but there were many indications that Troy 6 was destroyed by earthquake. Looks like we are gonna have to wait to be certain which one was the one Homer described.
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 14:13 |
Funny story about troy.The guy that found troy had the objective his whole life.Then he came to turkey and there was a hill,called hisarlk(the place of castles)and he began to dig....
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 14:09 |
Originally posted by Capt. Lubber
Yes, and there were several troys built on top of each other. On the whole there were about 9 of them. number 7 is the one most likely to have been "the" troy |
I thought it was the first one
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