QuoteReplyTopic: The greatest Irans Mysteries: Phartias Battery Posted: 01-Apr-2006 at 13:45
ANCIENT
IRANIANS, THE INVENTORS OF BATTERY:
PARTHIAN
BATTERY
250BCE
Abstract:In June, 1936, while a new railway was being constructed near the city
of Baghdad workers uncovered an ancient tomb. In the excavation that
followed it was determined that the tomb was built during the Parthian
dynastic era which ranged from 250 BC to AD 250 (+/-).
According
to most texts the "voltic pile," or electric battery, was
invented in 1800 by the Count Alassandro Volta. Volta had observed
that when two dissimilar metal probes were placed against frog tissue, a
weak electric current was generated. Volta discovered he could reproduce
this current outside of living tissue by placing the metals in certain
chemical solutions. For this, and his other work with electricity, we
commemorate his name in the measurement of electric potential called the volt.
The little Parthian jar found in ancient Western Iranian
territories of Greater Iran (now Iraq), suggests that Volta didn't invent
the battery, but reinvented it. The jar was first described by German
archaeologist Wilhelm Konig in 1938. The jar was found in Khujut
Rabu just outside modern Baghdad and is composed of a clay jar with a
stopper made of asphalt. Sticking through the asphalt is an iron rod
surrounded by a copper cylinder. When filled with vinegar - orany other
electrolytic solution - the jar produces about 1.5 to 2.0 volts.
The jars are believed to be about 2000 years old from
the Parthian period
(The third Iranian dynasty ruled roughly 248 BCE to 28 April CE 224),
and consist of an earthenware shell, with a stopper composed of asphalt.
Sticking through the top of the stopper is an iron rod. Inside the jar the
rod is surrounded by a cylinder of copper. Konig thought these things
looked like electric batteries and published a paper on the subject in
1940.
World
War II prevented immediate follow-up on the jars, but after
hostilities
ceased, an American, Willard F. M. Gray of the General Electric High
Voltage Laboratory in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, built some reproductions.
When filled with an electrolyte like grape juice, the devices produced
about two volts.
Not
all scientists accept the "electric battery" description for the
jars. If they were batteries, though, who made them and what were they
used for?
Unfortunately, there is no written record as to the
exact function of the jar, due to destruction of Iranian literary sources
and libraries by Arabs upon invasion of Iranian territories in 7th
century, but the best guess is that it was a type of battery.
Scientists believe the batteries (if that is their
correct function) were used to electroplate items such as putting a layer
of one metal (gold) onto the surface of another (silver), a method still
practiced in Greater Iran today.
Proto Summerian in the Zargos mountians are not know much about, but there is alot of suggestions they could have been from the Caucas region, which all Iranians come from.
I gave a better post, his was a little of me thinks, There is no link other then theory to its origins but finding it in a Parthian Tomb, makes it Iranian till there is proof otherwise
I am sure that is an agreeable conclusion. Till more is known Iranians can claim it, unless proven it is not Iranian!
its not iranian invention because its a development of a sumerian invention.
that what it says in the link Land of Arayan posted in the first post.
and Sumerian weren't Iranians.
and in the Middle east there were people other than Iranians and other than Semitics, and one of those people were the early Sumerians, who later became heavely effected by the Semitics.
Let me say Azimuth again I see an attack on the concept that something is Iranian....Only 2 distict Races in the Middle East Semetic and non semetic if non semetic then it is Iranian....Iranian is used more often now because calling them Indo-Europeans is being faded out as they were not originally from Europe but the land of Aryans hence Iranian..... This is the Politically correct use.... All the others you mentioned used to be called indo europeans but now correctly called Iranians.......
Not all scientists accept the "electric battery" description for the jars. If they were batteries, though, who made them and what were they used for?
Unfortunately, there is no written record as to the exact function of the jar, due to destruction of Iranian literary sources and libraries by Arabs upon invasion of Iranian territories in 7th century CE, but the best guess is that it was a type of battery.
Scientists believe the batteries (if that is their correct function) were used to electroplate items such as putting a layer of one metal (gold) onto the surface of another (silver), a method still practiced in Greater Iran today.
Why do you say it is not an Iranian invention? First it was found in an Iranian Tmob, Modern day Iraq was part of Iran. Even better let be show you the link!
The jars are believed to be about 2000 years old from the Parthian period (The third Iranian dynasty ruled roughly 248 BCE to 28 April CE 224), and consist of an earthenware shell, with a stopper composed of asphalt. Sticking through the top of the stopper is an iron rod. Inside the jar the rod is surrounded by a cylinder of copper. Konig thought these things looked like electric batteries and published a paper on the subject in 1940.
What the hell happened? I gave a a full response including other similiraites with CA. I dont have the time to do it again just now. I really hope it wasnt mod censorship.
Well your reasoning for making such an
assertion is at best dubious. Regardless, the invetion is part of the
regions heritage irrespective of what race the guy who invented it
was.
Well your reasoning for making such an assertion is at best dubious. Regardless, the invetion is part of the regions heritage irrespective of what race the guy who invented it was.
In the link I gave you the author didn't say Babylon or Assiryans as Iranians! in the introduction of the link I gave you the author talked about the people in and around the Iranian Plateau. Please read the article more effectively.
About the articles pulled out off Encarta, I'm still wondering -- with no rejection to its content! -- is that the same Encarta you earlier discussed about map mistakes it made??
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funny, I found this out of Encyclopedia Britannica:
The area that is now Khuzestin was settled about 6000 BC by a people with affinities to the Sumerians, who came from the Zagros Mountains region. Urban centres appeared there nearly contemporaneously with the first cities in Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium. Khuzestin came to constitute the heart of the Elamite kingdom, with Susa as its capital. Beginning with the reign of the legendary Enmebaragesi, about 2700 BC, who (according to a cuneiform inscription) despoiled the weapons of the land of Elam, Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, Kassite, Neo-Babylonian, and Assyrian invasions periodically crossed Khuzestin in response to Elamite involvement in Babylonian politics.
Wikipedia.org:
Almost 72% of Iraq's population consists of Arabic speakers (mainly Iraqi but some Hejazi); the other major ethnic group are the Kurds (25%), who live in the north and north-east of the country. The Kurds differ from Arabs in many ways including culture, history, clothing, and language. Other distinct groups are Assyrians, Turkomans, Iranians, Lurs, Armenians (3%) and Yezidis (possible descendants of the ancient Sumerian culture, part of the Kurdish population). About 2,500 Jews and 20,000 - 50,000 Marsh Arabs live in Iraq.
1. The Yezidi or Yazidi (Kurdish; zid) are adherents of a small Middle Eastern religion with ancient origins. They are primarily ethnic Kurds, and most Yazidis live near Mosul, Iraq with smaller communities in Syria, Turkey, Iran, Georgia and Armenia, and are estimated to number ca. 500,000 individuals in total.
algebra.com:
The Sumerians, with a language, culture, and, perhaps, appearance different from their Semetic neighbors and successors are widely believed to have been invaders or migrants, although it has proven difficult to determine exactly when this event occurred or the original geographic origins of the Sumerians. Some archeologists have advanced the notion that the Sumerians were, in fact, local to the Mesopotamian plains.
now the judgement is by you.
I have another source which is actually my main defence but i have no access to it right now. I believe I've read a book regarding this issue clearly stating the relation between Sumerians and Kurds. I know not every book is valid, but I'll try to find the book in my spare time and give u the title (though it doesn't worth it any way).
anyway, you know how much I hate altering the topics' original purpose, so why don't u open up a new thread regarding this, then you or me will give the link to that thread so everyone interested can follow it up there.
well iam not saying that they were Semitic people.
iam saying that they were not Iranians.
also i too dont have time to read your sources and replay to them
i have exams comming next week and the weeks after.
so i may open a topic as u suggested later.
Originally posted by Zagros Purya
And most certainly NOT A rab.
No one even suggested it was invented by an A rab
and relax no need to get nervouse
Originally posted by Zagros Purya
No one even suggested it was invented by an Iranian, paranoia is rife on the Southern coast of the Persian Gulf .
check the previouse posts here and you will notice that there are some guys think that this 'thing' is Iranian.
also why else would ramin putting sources to prove that it was Iranian?
In the link I gave you the author didn't say Babylon or Assiryans as
Iranians! in the introduction of the link I gave you the author talked
about the people in and around the Iranian Plateau. Please read the article more effectively.
About the articles pulled out off Encarta, I'm still wondering -- with
no rejection to its content! -- is that the same Encarta you earlier
discussed about map mistakes it made??
---
funny, I found this out of Encyclopedia Britannica:
The area that is now Khuzestin was settled about 6000 BC by a
people with affinities to the Sumerians, who came from the Zagros Mountains
region. Urban centres appeared there nearly contemporaneously with the first
cities in Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium. Khuzestin came to constitute the
heart of the Elamite kingdom, with Susa as its capital. Beginning with the reign
of the legendary Enmebaragesi, about 2700 BC, who (according to a cuneiform
inscription) despoiled the weapons of the land of Elam, Sumerian, Akkadian,
Babylonian, Kassite, Neo-Babylonian, and Assyrian invasions periodically crossed
Khuzestin in response to Elamite involvement in Babylonian politics.
Wikipedia.org:
Almost 72% of Iraq's population consists of
Arabic speakers (mainly Iraqi but some Hejazi); the other major ethnic group are
the Kurds (25%), who live in the north and north-east of the country. The Kurds
differ from Arabs in many ways including culture, history, clothing, and
language. Other distinct groups are Assyrians, Turkomans, Iranians, Lurs,
Armenians (3%) and Yezidis (possible descendants of the ancient Sumerian
culture, part of the Kurdish population). About 2,500 Jews and 20,000 - 50,000
Marsh Arabs live in Iraq.
1. The Yezidi or Yazidi (Kurdish; zid) are
adherents of a small Middle Eastern religion with ancient origins. They are
primarily ethnic Kurds, and most Yazidis live near Mosul, Iraq with smaller
communities in Syria, Turkey, Iran, Georgia and Armenia, and are estimated to
number ca. 500,000 individuals in total.
algebra.com:
The Sumerians, with a language, culture, and, perhaps, appearance different from their Semetic
neighbors and successors are widely believed to have been invaders or
migrants, although it has proven difficult to determine exactly when
this event occurred or the original geographic origins of the
Sumerians. Some archeologists have advanced the notion that the
Sumerians were, in fact, local to the Mesopotamian plains.
now the judgement is by you.
I have another source which is actually my main defence but i have no
access to it right now. I believe I've read a book regarding this issue
clearly stating the relation between Sumerians and Kurds. I know not
every book is valid, but I'll try to find the book in my spare time and
give u the title (though it doesn't worth it any way).
anyway, you know how much I hate altering the topics' original purpose,
so why don't u open up a new thread regarding this, then you or me will
give the link to that thread so everyone interested can follow it up
there.
as far as i understood this article is saying that Sumer , Babylonia and Assyria are Iranians?
and the rest he is talking about Elam which is not Sumer!!
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this one is from Britannica
Sumer
site of the earliest known civilization, located in the southernmost part of Mesopotamia between the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers, in the area that later became Babylonia and is now southern Iraq from aroundBaghdad to the Persian Gulf.
Sumer was first settled between 4500 and 4000 BC by a non-Semitic people who did not speak the Sumerian language. These people now are called proto-Euphrateans or Ubaidians, for the village Al-Ubaid, where their remains were first discovered. The Ubaidians were the first civilizing force in Sumer, draining the marshes for agriculture, developing trade, and establishing industries, including weaving, leatherwork, metalwork, masonry, and pottery. After the Ubaidian immigration to Mesopotamia, various Semitic peoples infiltrated their territory, adding their cultures to the Ubaidian culture, and creating a high pre-Sumerian civilization.
The people called Sumerians, whose language became the prevailing language of the territory, probably came from around Anatolia, arrivingin Sumer about 3300 BC. By the 3rd millennium BC the country was the site of at least 12 separate city-states: Kish, Erech, Ur, Sippar, Akshak, Larak, Nippur, Adab, Umma, Lagash, Bad-tibira, and Larsa. Each of thesestates comprised a walled city and its surrounding villages and land, and each worshiped its own deity, whose temple was the central structure of the city. Political power originally belonged to the citizens, but, as rivalry between the various city-states increased, each adoptedthe institution of kingship. An extant document, The Sumerian King List, records that eight kings reigned before the great Flood.
After the Flood, various city-states and their dynasties of kings temporarily gained power over the others. The first king to unite the separate city-states was Etana, ruler of Kish (c. 2800 BC). Thereafter, Kish, Erech, Ur, and Lagash vied for ascendancy for hundreds of years, rendering Sumer vulnerable to external conquerors, first the Elamites (c. 25302450 BC) and later the Akkadians, led by their king Sargon (reigned 23342279 BC). Although Sargon's dynasty lasted only about 100 years, it united the city-states and created a model of government that influenced all of Middle Eastern civilization.
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and about the Sumerian language
this is from Encarta
this from Encarata.
Sumerian Language, language of the peoples of the ancient kingdom of Sumer in Mesopotamia. Its vocabulary, grammar, and syntax do not appear to be related to those of any other known language.
The oldest language preserved in writing, Sumerian was written in cuneiform script. Its earliest records date from about 3000 bc in southern Mesopotamia; after about 2000 bc it was no longer spoken, having been replaced by Akkadian or Assyro-Babylonian, but it continued in use as a literary language until cuneiform writing died out (c. 1st century bc). There are four recognized periods of Sumerian: Archaic Sumerian (3100-2500 bc); Old or Classical Sumerian (2500-2300 bc); New Sumerian (2300-2000 bc); and Post-Sumerian. The existence of the languageand of the Sumerian culturewas subsequently forgotten until cuneiform was deciphered in the 19th century, revealing an unexpected language among the expected ones.
Sumerian is an agglutinative language, rather than an inflected one, such as one of the Indo-European or Semitic languages. Generally speaking, the root words are not subject to inflective change. The basic grammatical units consist of word complexes rather than individual words, and these grammatical units usually retain their independent structures. The grammatical structure of Sumerian resembles that of other agglutinative languages, such as Turkish, Hungarian, and some Caucasian languages.
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