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It's a cool forum, I registered on it yesterday. It has a subforum on Slavic Mythology

Why doesn't let you register? I had a hard time passing through the questions for registering, because it was like "One plus five is what" so I wrote 6, while it had to be "six" - it took me while to figure this out.

Yes, I have that in mind

Yes, the random word, then the coldest season is winter, /but I don't remember with capital letters or not/ for the second question is "one plus five is six" with words. I got all 3 of them in a row. Sometimes the random word code is hard to get, like E looks like F, and stuff like that. I had to repeat several times before it got me in.

Btw, are you guys Slavic?

So are you guys still having trouble registering?

Originally posted by hongphan I am not registered. You help me ....

Help yourself and be damned, spambot

Originally posted by Cryptic As a side note though, though Bulgarians are linguistically and culturally slavic, I think they are of turkic ethnic origins.  Who knows, maybe they are listed on both turkic and slavic forums.  I have seen Croats listed on an Iranian history forum as an Iranian people.

I think you mean Bulgars and not Bulgarians, right Cryptic?

Bulgar (also spelled Bolğar, Bulghar) is an extinct language which was spoken by the Bulgars. It was a language belonging to Oghur subgroup of Turkic languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgar_language

The Bulgars, also known as the Old Bulgarians, weren't Turkic, and wiki is wrong in that case. The Bulgar language was branded "Turkic" on a paltry evidence, with like 5 words, which may have not been Turkic at all to start with, /like "boliar". which came out to be old Russian word/. In any case, the theory of the Bulgars being Turkic is refuted; and the modern Bulgarians don't have Turkic gene markers at all.
"...Sena Karachanak, Viola Grugni, Desislava Nesheva, Vincenza Battaglia, S. Fornarino, N. Al-Zahery, Valeria Carossa, Yordan Yordanov, Angel S. Galabov, B. Atanasov, Antonio Torroni, Draga Toncheva, and Ornella Semino. "Y-Chromosome genetic variation of modern Bulgarians." A presentation at the European Human Genetics Conference 2011, Amsterdam, the Netherlands, May 28-31, 2011. Excerpts from the presentation abstract:

"[...] in order to comprehensively characterize Bulgarian Y-chromosome variation, we have performed high-resolution phylogenetic analysis of 812 healthy, unrelated Bulgarian males and compared the results with Y-chromosome data from other Eurasian populations. [...] About 80% of the total genetic variation in Bulgarians falls within haplogroups E-M35, I-M170, J-M172, R-M17 and R-M269. This finding shows that the Bulgarian haplogroup profile is congruent with those described for most European populations. Among the prehistoric events marked by the observed haplogroups, the greatest contribution comes from the range expansion of local Mesolithic foragers triggered by adoption of agriculture introduced by a cadre of Near Eastern farmers. The Bulgarian Y chromosome gene pool also bears signals of the recolonization from different glacial refugia, the spread of agriculture from the Near East and the expansion of early farmers along the Central and East European river basins. As for the interpopulation analysis, similarly to mtDNA, Bulgarians belong to the cluster of European populations, still being slightly distant from them. Bulgarians are distant from Turks (despite geographical proximity), Arabic and Caucasus populations and Indians. These trends in the PCA graph likely reflect not only prehistoric, but also more recent demographic events that have shaped the Y chromosome structure of modern Bulgarians."..." http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/bulgarians.html

The Bulgars were  Indo-Europeans. If they were Turkic, the modern Bulgarians would have Turkic gene markers, which they didn't have.

Bulgarians in bulgaria actually have nothing common with protobulgars. Protobulgars were nomads and established great scythe kingdom in afganistan, it’s name was Baktria (kingdom of happiness), capital was “Bulgar” then turned simply to “Bulh” or “Balh” for example the greatest poet Mevlana Rumi was half turk-bulgarian from Balh, before mongolian invasion his family migrated to Turkey. The truly bulgarians live in Russia and Caucasia, republic of kabardey-balgar,moreover those protobulgars made mongolians convert into muslim faith, they were most civilyzed nomads and established worlds biggest empires like Kushans,India,China (yes it’s unbelievable but actually all those countries were established by nomads), it can be easily traced by simply identifications of etnonym – ARIAN, all nomads tribes-nations names had ending as –ARIAN, starting from Atilla Hunns- kutigarians, utigarians, majarians, tatarians, bulgarians, bashkirians, balkarians, hazarians, azarians, avarians,agacarians, kangarians,subarians (siberia turks) – and so on (about 20-30 nations) and all of them turkic.


P.S.   AT the times of Byzans empire, turkic nomads were hired by byzans kings to ward off the goths attacks, so that means the weak nomads were enslaved and became half slavic/half bulgar, the strong alfa nomads went further conquering arabs, jews, africa, russia, europe with Parthia, Samanid,Ottomans, Seldjuk, Jenguizhan, Timurleng warlike armies.

Not withstanding the elitists myth of general poor quality information on Wikipedia from time to time( a great deal of professional bodies both use and update Wiki pages, and those caught trying to falsify information are banned), there has tended to be said origins for the Bulgars that suggest either Turkic, Alani, or Turkic/Alani. Although the Alani themselves have had suggestions of having a language which might have been mixed with Turkic too. Saying this however I have found a link with a far more scientific sounding approach which I must bow to, putting a much more compelling case as to the linguistic origins of the Bulgars. http://www.v-stetsyuk.name/en/Alterling/Bulgar.html