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    Posted: 30-Apr-2012 at 19:32

Who was Finn McCool, and was he based on a historical Irish warrior?


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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2012 at 18:45
If he is mythological why then the reference to the Fena and having been their greatest commander unless merely to provide a warrior leader of the mythos. His association with Cormac mac Art is well known and any number of links can provide more. Suffice to say if Cormac is considered historical then Finn will be as well.
 
Iow. if we are willing to accept writing, art, poetry, etc. as proofs...albeit transient in some cases, as we do with many cultures as a form of interlocutory historical evidence until more is identified or proposed...then Finn and the historical era of his time are probably safe.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2012 at 19:34
Apparently he never died, but sleeps in a cave waiting to defend Ireland in her darkest hour. Similar legends surround other mythical warriors like Barbarossa, Bran the Blessed and King Arthur
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-May-2012 at 20:45
Having done a bit of reading, i've noticed some interesting similarities between Irish and Classical myth: notably Saturn trying to devour the baby Zeus (as he did to his other children). Finn had a falling-out with Cuchulain but, unwilling to get killed, defeated the giant warrior through trickery. Finn disguised himself as a baby and had his wife make cakes: some normal and some still containing the griddle. When Cuchulain ate them he broke his teeth, but Finn ate the cakes without the added iron supplement. Cuchulain put his finger in the "baby's" mouth to feel his teeth. Finn bit it off and Cuchulain ran away in shame
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2012 at 01:33
There is that but then refer to the original replacements of the ancient dwellers viz the Milesians.
Is Milesius a Latin Christian creation for example? Mainstream says yes...however the interaction and commerce as recorded suggest other possibilities. Likewise Partholon, Nimeth etc. I examined this in detail, reference the Fomorians etc. on another forum..... but alas am no longer welcome there......
 
 
 
We must, imo, seek out the General and others whose expertise lies in this mythological genre..I remain an enthusiastic novice.


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  Quote Michael Collins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2012 at 22:34
Fionn Mac Cumhail was a historic leader of Fianna Éireann, about whom many myths contend. Obviously the giant one is to be dismissed from a historic point of view, but his interaction with King Cormac Mac Airt is not really doubted. Additionally, Cumhail was a leader of the Fianna before him, and fought Conn Céad Chathach over the province of Leinster. Fionn too, according to some stories, had a troubled relationship with the monarchy, rebelling against them.

In the more literary stories, Fionn creates the isle of man by tossing a sod of turf into the sea... amongst other God-like escapades. He was not contemporary with Cú Chulainn.
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  Quote Toltec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jun-2012 at 01:14
A lot of historical figures have been described as giants in stories a few their height was genuinely recorded and it turns out they were quite reasonable heights such as 6ft 5in and so on. A 6ft 5" person back in the time when most people we 5ft 2" would have seemed like a giant.

The Fianna road ponies not horses, so I always imagine Finn a sort of comedy figure, riding this tiny creature with legs dragging along the ground. I image the same held for much of the Fianna.
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  Quote Michael Collins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2012 at 15:59
Both very good points Toltec. 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2012 at 19:12
Originally posted by Toltec

A lot of historical figures have been described as giants in stories a few their height was genuinely recorded and it turns out they were quite reasonable heights such as 6ft 5in and so on. A 6ft 5" person back in the time when most people we 5ft 2" would have seemed like a giant.

The Fianna road ponies not horses, so I always imagine Finn a sort of comedy figure, riding this tiny creature with legs dragging along the ground. I image the same held for much of the Fianna.


Reminds me of the Norman knights in the bayeux tapestryLOL
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