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Topic: Ancient North America Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 01:45 |
I think it is funny whenever I hear Europeans tell me that America's history is not that old, I mean all of North America from Mexico to Canada. Any Native American would disagree but they are looking at it from a European perspective. Here are some old ruins in the state of New Mexico, I have been here. Bandelier National park!
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 02:50 |
I think it is funny whenever I hear Europeans tell me that America's history is not that old |
They mean the US, and they are right. Its only relativly recently that
the mainsteram US historical narrative has began to include pre-US
history.
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 15:28 |
It makes me wonder who these people were and what happened to them. They disapeared long before the arrival of the white man. Was it war or famine????
I have also been to the white house on the Navajo Reservation and some cliff dwelling near the Gila Wilderness area of New Mexico.
The Pueblo and Hopi claim to be related to these ancient natives but as far as I know they had no connection to the Aztec, at least not direct.
The white house in Canyon de Chelly National Park- this is an awesome place to visit.
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 23:52 |
Most New Mexico settled societies did not have the resources to manage in the environment, and their agriculture was prone to being flooded away in some areas, in all liklihood they suffered a famine and then abandoned the sedentary lifestyle.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 00:58 |
I think the main accepted theory is famine, apparently theres evidence
in some places that things were so bad people resorted to occasional
cannabilism.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 03:56 |
I thought that some of this was sounding familiar - have a look at the thread here:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1578& ;PN=2
AFAIK the cannibalism traces are very rare - and may have only been for ritual purposes or may have been a local aberration. I don't think that it was culturally wide spread.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 04:47 |
Ritualism? I thought it was out of desperation because conditions had gotten so bad.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 13:50 |
I must have missed that thread but I still think it is funny when Europeans and even Americans forget about the ancient native cultures like the mound builders etc.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 17:27 |
In order to sell more copies of his book, Christy Turner has lead the charge of those favoring cannibalism as an answer (the cannibalists?) while many other scientists and archaeologists are adamantly opposed to his conclusions. Even Turner concludes (again against the tide of the majority of the scientific community) that it was most probably ritual cannibalism brought in from Mexican cultures and imposed on the Anasazi. There are such disparate answers as warfare, ritual sacrifice, execution of skinwalkers (witches), and so on - but there is definitave evidence that at least some cannibalism did take place - tests of coprolite at some sites have turned up definative evidence of the eating of human flesh. One of the questions that the scientists cannot decide on is how often it happened and why. It seems to have been found at some sites and not at others, and was of very limited duration - usually only one or two occurances - not the amount of evidence that you would find if the neighbors were on the menu on a regular basis. It has been a hotly debated issue in the past decade or so.
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news128.htm
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/anasazi.h tm
http://www.archaeology.org/9709/newsbriefs/anasazi.html
http://sipapu.gsu.edu/html/faq.html#4 this is a particularly informative site
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0601_wireana sazi.html
http://www.newnation.org/NCR/reference/NCR-Anasazi.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n1_v143/a i_13307352
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 17:16 |
I have heard the invasion from mexico theory alot by un-reputable sources by jokers on the history channel, but since they onmly ever talk about D day what do they know?
I really doubt such an invasion would even be possible, all known invasions near Mexico follow the north to south route not the other way around due to the tough desert nomads being able to survive far better than the Mexican highlanders in desert crossing, plus there is absolutely no incentive for the advanced societies of mesoamerica to invade up the desert, especially given their transportation-supply inefficiency.
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