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King Chulalongkorn
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Topic: Royal Thai Navy to Expand in South East Asia Posted: 27-Apr-2005 at 13:28 |
The Royal Thai Navy's presence in South East Asia has been limited to the Gulf of Thailand but with plans to expand the navy's naval power; plus the fact that Thailand has been a prime factor in reducing tensions with Malaysia and Indonesia concerning island disputes via ASEAN summits, it has been proven that an active Thai Navy would be good news for S. E Asia. Being the largest navy in S. E Asia and the only navy in South East Asia as well as in East Asia that has an air craft carrier, Thailand's navy can maintain the status quo of S. E Asia and the looming Chinese threat. Good news Thailand, ASEAN and the world!
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Posted: 27-Apr-2005 at 21:33 |
i didn't know Thai navy had a carrier..
so i looked it up, and there is a single carrier 10,000 tons..
and those guys in the picture are less than 2000 tonnes full load..
if China decided to loom some threat South East Asia's way, there is no way Thai navy could stop it -_-
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Posted: 27-Apr-2005 at 21:35 |
The Japanese navy can wipe out all of them combined.
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Posted: 27-Apr-2005 at 22:28 |
uh.. using Japanese navy to wipe out Thai navy would be like using naginata to kill an ant.. bit excessive
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Posted: 27-Apr-2005 at 23:24 |
Once we had used "paper tiger" refer to all imperilism mainly U.S.
Actually , those can't match a paper locust
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 11:51 |
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 11:54 |
Hmmm you're right Chinese do go to Thai waters...lol usually Chinese
fishing boats..which we blow up on site because of their violation of
national territorial jurisdiciton. LOL!!! The combined fleets of
Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Vietnam
could mawl the PLAN. LOL!!!!!!
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 11:57 |
And just how many naval battles against another state have the Thai won the past 50 years?
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Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 15:08 |
and against who?
Thailand ruled the S.E.Asian sea because no one with a real navy wants that sea..
a single large AEGIS destroyer could take care of that carrier task group..
a large landing platform would make a better carrier than that Thai one.. which isn't even used:
Originally posted by hazegray
Chakri Nareubet small VSTOL carrier ... Due to economic problems, the ship has remained almost completely inactive since delivery. |
sure, Thai navy is stronger than other S.E.Asian navies, but it's really a terrible neighbourhood for talking about military strength
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 12:03 |
HTMS NARESUA
HTMS Chao Phraya
A tag on their stern: 'Made in China'
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King Chulalongkorn
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 14:36 |
Originally posted by I/eye
and against who?
Thailand ruled the S.E.Asian sea because no one with a real navy wants that sea..
a single large AEGIS destroyer could take care of that carrier task group..
a large landing platform would make a better carrier than that Thai one.. which isn't even used:
Originally posted by hazegray
Chakri Nareubet small VSTOL carrier ... Due to economic problems, the ship has remained almost completely inactive since delivery. |
sure, Thai navy is stronger than other S.E.Asian navies, but it's
really a terrible neighbourhood for talking about military strength |
Baseless. All your 'inputs' are personal oppinion. LOL!
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 14:40 |
The RTN has had its budget doubled since 1986 and submarines currently
top the navy's wish list which Thailand operated before the Second
World War. In the late 1990s Thailand came close to procuring
conventional submarines, with the German Type209 and Swedish Type A-19
Gotland-class on the shortlist. It has been reported that the navy is
currently examining second hand Israeli Gall-class boats and Russian
Amur-class attack subs. Israel, which has done a lot of defense
contracting business with Thailand, has reportedly offered the RTN two
second hand Gall subs at an inexpensive cost. Sources said the Israelis
offered the "very cheap" subs as training vessels while new subs with
SIGINT capability were under construction. In addition, sources report
that the Russians made a very attractive offer to sell its Amur class
submarines. A major addition to the Royal Thai Fleet is the
vertical/short take off and landing (VSTOL) carrier Chakri Naruebet,
built by Bazan-Ferrol of Spain, and delivered to the RTN in 1997.
Although acquisition of its full complement of VSTOL aircraft and
helicopters will be substantially slowed by the cutbacks imposed on
defense purchases, it did come with seven AV-8S and two TAV-8S Matador
(Harrier) STOL attack aircraft. Six new-build S-70B-7 Seahawk
multi-mission helicopters are also on board.
The 11,400-ton displacement ship was the first air-capable vessel to
enter service in Southeast Asia. The RTN designation of offshore patrol
helicopter carrier (OPHC) reflects the ship's chief peacetime roles of
disaster relief, search and rescue, exclusion zone surveillance and
environmental protection. However, the navy also acknowledges that the
ship has potential as a regional sea control asset during times of
crisis.
The RTN has received large annual budgets to procure modern platforms
and weapons in recent years based on piracy in the region and the
anticipated "grab for resources in the Spratlys" that may threaten Thai
shipping lanes. In recent years, the Thai government has placed greater
emphasis on the RTN, in line with the growing feeling that the
country's maritime interests are most threatened; these include 80 off
shore oil platforms, as well as the country's vast fishing fleet (the
third largest in the world). Disputed maritime borders and SLOC must
also be monitored and defended. The purchase of the aircraft carrier
has also been partially justified by the navy with reference to a
required search and rescue capability for offshore platforms and for
general disaster relief operations.
A greater role than mere defensive duty is envisaged for the RTN. The
government's decision to purchase an assault carrier has signaled its
willingness to develop a genuine blue-water capability. As maritime
disputes have grown in number and magnitude since the end of the cold
war, so the need for such a capacity seems to have grown. There are
indications that Thailand wants not only to increase its capability in
its own territorial waters but also in the Andaman Sea.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 14:42 |
To those who are ignorant of our Carrier power parity...here ya goo!!
Displacement | Standard - 7000 Full Load - 11485
| Length | 182.6 m
| Beam | 22.5 m
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Draft | 6.2 m
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Speed | 26 kts maximum 16 kts cruising
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Missiles | 1 Mk 41 LCHR 8 cell VLS launcher with Sea Sparrow missles(not installed), 3 x Sadreal 6 cell launchers for Mistral missles.
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Torpedoes | NA
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AA Guns | 4 x Vulcan Phalanx CIWS(not installed) 2 x 30mm
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Aircraft | Up to 18 Helicopters(S-70B-7 Seahawk) or (Chinook) and Aircraft (AV-8S Harrier)
| Crew | 600 |
he major addition to the Royal Thai Fleet is the Chakri Naruebet
(which means "The Great of the Chakri Dynasty"), built by Bazan-Ferrol
of Spain, and delivered to the RTN in 1997, which included seven AV-8S
and two TAV-8S Matador (Harrier) STOL attack aircraft and six
newly-built S-70B-7 Seahawk multi-mission helicopters. Because of the
ships capabilities and size it the most auspicious ship of the Royal
Thai Navy. But the lack of funding has restricted its operations and as
a result, it was not deployed to support the UN mission in East Timor.
This Offshore Patrol Helicopter Carrier (OHPC) intends to undertake a
wide range of missions such as disaster relief, environment protection,
amphibious operations, patrolling of territorial waters and control of
local air space, Search And Rescue coordination and Exclusive Economic
Zone surveillance. Secondary role is air support for all maritime
operations.
HTMS Chakri Naruebet is of a similar design to that of the
Spanish carrier Principe de Asturias, it is fitted with a 12 degree ski
jump to enable the use of Harrier-style aircraft. The carrier has a
full-load displacement of 11486 tons. Its overall length is 182.6m;
flight-deck waterline beam 22.5m, and full-load draught 6.2m. U.S. Navy
standards of subdivision were followed, with 13 watertight bulkheads
and three independent fire zones. Twin rudders provide good
maneuverability. The machinery is located in two compartments, and
includes two GE LM-2500 gas turbines, two Bazan-MTU 16 1163 TAB83
diesel engines and two twin-reduction gearboxes. Variable-pitch
propellers are fitted.
It can accommodate a crew complement of 600 (there are also
apartments for the Thai royal family). The ship is equipped with six
multi-mission Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk helicopters. These are
supplemented with six ex-Spanish Matador AV-8S (Harrier) short
take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft (currently out of service).
The Chakri Naruebet's 174.6m x 27.5m flight deck, which terminates in a
12 degree ski-jump, can accommodate five simultaneous helicopter
take-off/landings; the hangar provides space for ten medium helicopters
or Harrier-sized aircraft. It is estimated that the carrier can carry a
maximum of 18 helicopters and aircraft; and 100 tons of ammunition.
The carrier's maximum speed is 26 knots, with a cruise speed
of 16 knots. Range is estimated to be 10000 nautical miles at 12 knots.
Armament is planed to eventually consist of four Raytheon/General
Dynamics Phalanx Close-In Weapon Systems and two 30mm naval guns.
Phalanx is a 20mm/53-calibre six-barrel gun capable of firing 3,000
rounds/min to a target range of 1.5km. The ship will be fitted with one
eight-cell Mk 41 vertical launch system (VLS) for the Sea Sparrow
surface-to-air missile and three Matra BAe Dynamics Sadral six-cell
launchers for the Mistral missile. The Sadral launcher is a stabilized
turret containing six missiles and launch canisters. The turret is
equipped with a television camera which can be fitted with an infra-red
channel for target acquisition.
The systems provided include a Hughes AN/SPS-52C 3-D medium range air
search radar, a Kelvin Hughes navigation and helicopter control radar,
a Kelvin Hughes I-band navigation radar, a MX 1105 Transit/GPS Omega
satellite navigation system, as well as an unspecified Tacan system and
a simple communications fit. The command and control system is made up
of a combat information centre with seven Inisel consoles and an
auxiliary console. The centre is based on the Tritan combat data system
using Unisys UYK-3 and UYK-20 computers. If upgraded the C2 system will
be served by 11 consoles.
Royal Thai Naval Carrier Task Group w/ destroyer escort on full steam near Indonesia/Malaysian border
Bird's eye view
Edited by King Chulalongkorn
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